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Posted Aug 21, '08 at 1:13am

Drace

Drace

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Wood - Duke

Fetus are not even humans, just cells that do nothing.

 

Posted Aug 21, '08 at 1:18am

Zootsuit_riot

Zootsuit_riot

920 posts

Iron - Knight

I think that it is wrong to take away what could have been a fully prosperous human life, but, under the right circumstances abortion is the right option. I would much rather have the fetus aborted than have a child go through crappy foster families, or grow up on the streets with no parents. It is definitely the mother's choice though, and religious beliefs of those in the political system should not be forced onto those who actually have to make the decision.

 

Posted Aug 21, '08 at 1:21am

Strop

Strop

4,021 posts

Iron - Prince

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Well, I think it's okay to not recommend abortion- it is by no means an easy solution and the consequences of it can be far more severe than not.

It's not supposed to be an easy call to make.

 

Posted Aug 21, '08 at 1:23am

Drace

Drace

2,492 posts

Wood - Duke

A fetus is nothing but just cells.
Abortion is like removing cancerous cells.

 

Posted Aug 21, '08 at 1:35am

Ricador

Ricador

2,020 posts

Wood - Prince

Fetus are not even humans, just cells that do nothing.

Drace, you are starting to scare me and i mean that from the bottom of my heart.

It does not matter of they are cells. They will become humans, does that not shock that they are being murdered. Imagine if someone took your son (not saying you have one) and killed it then flushed it down the toilet. How would you feel? Because that is basically what an abortion is, the killing of a human. Also almost all abortions occur when it is an actual human, just not ready for birth yet, but they are classified as a human.

BTW: I think it is sick that they have to be at a certain stage before they are human. I think the minute the women is pregnant, whether it is a fetus or not, it should then be classified human immediately. It is only not human when it is not in any physical form.

 

Posted Aug 21, '08 at 1:39am

Drace

Drace

2,492 posts

Wood - Duke

Well I don't think the mothers want them.

They are just cells. They do not move, think, or do anything at their early stage!

Sure they will become human, but whats so good for another human to be born? Its bad if someone punched a 1 year old baby, but if that baby was not their, its like punching air. Nothing happens.

Imagine if someone took your son (not saying you have one) and killed it then flushed it down the toilet.

Its not the same because I have feelings for my son. Who has feelings for a "mistake"?

 

Posted Aug 21, '08 at 1:55am

BASHA

BASHA

620 posts

Iron - Knight

ricador, think about this, the primary amount of abortions come from teens whome would not make good parents and even if they did make good parents they would not have that much money. Minimum wage bearly even enough to support yourself so imagine what it would be like adding a baby to tht skinny wallet. it might die of neglect, or hunger or dehydration.
and do you really think this world needs more people.

 

Posted Aug 21, '08 at 2:15am

Strop

Strop

4,021 posts

Iron - Prince

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They will become humans, does that not shock that they are being murdered.

Well, if you're going to go down this path, I won't say you're necessarily wrong but you certainly won't come up with any satisfactory answer. Also, in order to remain consistent, you may have to bite the bullet and employ some pretty Draconian (e.g. traditional Roman Catholic) values. It's for the purposes of legal consideration that we establish these arbitrary guidelines.

Speaking of which, I hear that the state of Victoria (Australia) looks fairly set (pending a conscience vote) to decriminalise abortion. Furthermore, the specifics is that it is entirely legal up to 24 weeks and in the cases of late-term pregnancy, pending a consultation, opinion and recommendation of two doctors.

I think this is a good guideline and I am confident that it is derived from reports based on rigorous evidence. All things considered and in the absence of other definitive criteria (I do not believe "a fertilised zygote must be considered a human" is an acceptable premise), I've based my assessment on the criteria for neurological function especially capacity for sensation and perception- or pain and suffering respectively.

More specifically, the accepted evidence suggests that animals cannot feel pain until their neural networks have been connected and activated. For this to happen, the nerves have to be formed, then sprout and eventually reach their destination, which does not happen before 26 weeks. Furthermore, an abortion past this stage poses a significantly greater risk to the woman unless in case of medical emergency.

...all this said I certainly won't deny that the partial-birth surgical procedures generally done after 12 weeks are gross and disturbing, and can understand why one might want to call it murder. But I simply can't uphold that judgment when I'm being rigorous.

 

Posted Aug 21, '08 at 2:40am

Ricador

Ricador

2,020 posts

Wood - Prince

There are feelings.

In fact, the abortion process is shocking. Most mothers after the abortion say the are scarred for life. They also wish they had kept there child. It was in a book called post abortion trauma, you should read it.

 

Posted Aug 21, '08 at 2:53am

Drace

Drace

2,492 posts

Wood - Duke

Well no duh, its easy saying that once you don't have to worry about it!

One scary moment, or your whole life a scary moment.

Keeping an unwanted child is not good for anyone.

 
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