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Posted Feb 15, '08 at 4:52pm
razaki
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Uh, Bloody, a lot of people answered that point that you made, including me, when you made it.
As I said then, no one cares if they're aborted because they're never a person that has any ability to care.
I agree with Devoid; SOMEONE would have gotten it eventually.
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Posted Feb 15, '08 at 9:32pm
Carlie
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Another side of this that I think should be discussed is the safety issue of it. If they made abortion against the law, people would still do it. Period. It would not stop any woman who truly wanted an abortion. However, what it would change is the amount of deaths and injuries sustained by women who try to give themselves abortions would rise.
In some countries, when they make abortion illegal, the death rate of women rises because of these dangers.
So does it really matter if some people are morally opposed? Because the fact is that women are going to do it anyways. Why would be want to deny them the right to do it safely?
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Posted Feb 15, '08 at 9:58pm
carltherune
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I think that abortion should not be allowed, because even if you think that embryos are not real people, they will soon become a "real person." Therefore, you are killing what is a person, or will be a person; the equivalent of murder.
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Posted Feb 15, '08 at 10:02pm
Devoidless
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We were already over that I think. Embryos are not people. By your reasoning, eggs that you eat are are chickens. And we all know that is not the case. Two very different ideas.
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Posted Feb 15, '08 at 10:07pm
Asherlee
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I haven't read all the back posts, so I'll just announce my opinion (because we all know it's important *cackles*). I believe your body is your temple. Do with it what you feel you need to when of sound mind. Whether or not I agree or disagree with abortion is not the issue, I believe in personal rights. But, I did say I would leave an opinion. I believe that abortion is necessary in many cases and it should never be illegal. Because, as Carlie said, if it were illegal the death rate for self performed abortions would rise. I just do not like to think that people will fall back on abortion as a method of birth control. That saddens me.
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Posted Feb 15, '08 at 10:10pm
carltherune
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Devoidless, I was saying that killing the embryo is like killing the person, as the embryo will be a person.
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Posted Feb 15, '08 at 10:27pm
Asherlee
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because it is only a potential life means that it isn't an independent being. Two independent entities cannot be in 1 body. One vetoes rights to the other, in this case, the mother because she isn't a potential life. Point is potential life isn't life.
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Posted Feb 15, '08 at 11:02pm
razaki
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If your basis for it being a "life" is the potentiality factor, where do you draw the line, and on what basis?
Every sperm in a man's body and every egg in a female's body has the POTENTIAL to be a life, but no one in their right mind believes them to be a living entity.
Yeah, I sneaked in a reference to the safety issue in a post of mine a few pages back but you brought it up in a better way, Carlie. I totally agree with you.
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Posted Feb 15, '08 at 11:09pm
Pela
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So here is my two cents. I don't think I would get an abortion, but nor do I want to be the person making that decision for other people. I think that if we taught actually sex ed in school, not just "the only safe sex is no sex" maybe so many teens who are not ready to be parents would not have babies or abortions.
Also, I think the legal age for abortion should match the states legal age of consent.
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Posted Feb 15, '08 at 11:15pm
razaki
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I completely agree with the first part of your post, Pela, but not with the last.
The age of consent issue is really grounds for a whole new topic, but I'll throw my quick opinion in here for good measure:
It doesn't matter WHAT the age of consent is, people are going to have sex before it, willingly. Consequently, some of them are going to need abortions.
Who here REALLY wants a 12 year old trying to raise a child?
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