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Posted Jul 24, '09 at 6:18am

surfthenet

surfthenet

648 posts

Wow, i see your tinypic, that score is insane!!!!!

How many hours you play to get that score?

your don't even use your towers fully

 

Posted Jul 24, '09 at 8:23am

vesperbot

vesperbot

986 posts

surfthenet, that will be a lot of trouble... even if that wave you have angered 25 times had zero armor, it will have 1032 armor, which is a very high value, even if not taking those HPs into account. You will need no less than grade 12 L/Y (R/Y, */Y in fact) towers to even try to defeat this amount, and a real lot of grade 8 L/P for some places where your grade 12s will be wasted because of them attacking monsters that will be banshed before their attack lands. Of course, some traps will have to be changed for R/Ps.

Speaking about *ANY* possibility - that depends on initial armor, if it was higher than 10, then no I think, if lower, then perhaps there is, you are to stop raising multiplier and build defences.

10-13 times... well, for 10-11 grade towers this is abit on the lower side... my last battle (13M exp, whew) has its last wave #40 angered 14 times with grade 11 gems (abit low in fact), 315 monsters, 170 armor and 290k HP, but I had too much of other undispatched monsters around... 1800 is too big, I am risking some monsters to leak amassing huge banishment costs. Some previous waves were angered 15 times, still too low I think, but I am plain afraid angering 20 times.

fractalman, you give me the creeps... 102.6 multiplier *faints* My last battle had only 18... well that was a normal type of battle and you are fighting GoE's full power, but nevertheless...

 

Posted Jul 24, '09 at 9:08am

jimmie123

jimmie123

123 posts

I have done some dumb things in my life, but this takes the cake. I ran one of those "clean-up" programs that came with System Mechanic, and it erased my saved game file. I even did a system restore (to the previous day) and it wasn't there. Just a word of caution to anyone thinking about doing a clean-up and not having the game saved to a separate file. Thankfully, I was only at level 49, so I didn't have a ton of time invested. Also, a couple of "noob" questions: I hear you guys talk about "angering" the monsters...what is that and what do you gem-bomb, the monsters themselves or the building they come out of?? Also, can you place a higher grade gem in the same trap that you have a lower grade gem in or once placed, is that trap not "up-gradeable" anymore?

 

Posted Jul 24, '09 at 12:09pm

vesperbot

vesperbot

986 posts

jimmie123, there are stones at the left with symbols, each time a stone is crushed a wave of monsters appears. These are the ones to be gem-bombed. If you invoke a gem-bomb spell and drag a gem over it (but not release the gem) you will see what will happen if you do.

Traps are like towers, you can take a gem out of a trap freely.

 

Posted Jul 24, '09 at 1:35pm

ConnerC

ConnerC

650 posts

yea fractal 100+ multiplier is insane, since you got like 10b more since last pic i take it youve begun to take out those 126's, yea wave 170s insane i figure if you make it to wave 200 you automaticly win since wave 201-228 is only about 500 monsters and 105 prismatic traps can hold 525 monsters forever so once they all trapped just let it run for a fwe days and theyll eventualy die

so whats the gemcount if you can see? are most traps/towers grade 16 now?

you could if you pause the game make nearly 1 grade 15 every bar of your mana which prolly only takes 15-20 frames to fill meaning in real game time your making basicly 30ish grade 15s or 1 grade 20 evry wave if you actualy used all your mana income.

yayformee yea on the 60s i tried the over-anger, got 700 monsters on and just killed them all, went from 700m to 8b score in 8 waves no lie, now im getting 600m per normal wave such as runners armored and normal monsters with only a x20 multiplier, id like to be getting 1b per wave andd 5b on giant, and like 0 on swarm cuz they dont count for me so thats like 70b score from wave80-150 giving me like 85b

then at 150 it prolly gets to hard to anger more than 5-6 times

 

Posted Jul 24, '09 at 1:41pm

fractalman

fractalman

433 posts

i've been playing this for about a week now...
assuming (min)5 hours per day, that's 35 hours at least. 

Vesper, I shouldn't be giving you the creeps-the most significant factor in how long it takes my mana pool to fill is how many of my traps are firing at 5 monsters, with towers firing in second place; the multiplier is essentially (though not exactly) proportional to the pool size past 200,000 mana capacity. 

here's the next picture:
http://tinypic.com/r/28chytj/3

 

Posted Jul 24, '09 at 3:02pm

fractalman

fractalman

433 posts

gemcount: enough grade 14's and 15's to fill up all traps with grade 15+; I believe that i could also bring the grade 16+ total to 25 without creating any new gems, though i am not certain.

I don't think i'll be able to beat all the monsters up to wave 200 by the time wave 228 roles around.  it's taken nearly 60 waves to bring the average hp of the wave 126 giants from 59mill to about 5m, and the monsters on wave 85 have about 51m hp; it'll be by "wave 245" when they are destroyed. 
Still, i can reduce the impact of the extra monsters by removing the front-line trap gems untill just before the highly dangerous (much faster laps) runner waves.

 

Posted Jul 24, '09 at 4:35pm

ConnerC

ConnerC

650 posts

yea but once you have those mosnters out to a point where all are release and no more are coming all you have is time to basicly let it just keeep running till they all die since you can stun 525 monsters almost forever

 

Posted Jul 24, '09 at 5:17pm

ConnerC

ConnerC

650 posts

i also disagree with the "wave 245" thing because those wave 126 monsters with 59m hp you most likely angered and there where ~200 of them, however if you didnt anger 185 at all just leaving 2-5 monstesr with 51m hp rather than taking 60 waves it shuld only take like 3 waves if you have decent towers

then you figure you have more firepower than you did on wave 126, hopefully double the damage capability so honestly you shuold be able to take out that wave in 2 waves if theres only 2-5 51m hp thigns against your grade 18s and stuff

 

Posted Jul 24, '09 at 6:03pm

fractalman

fractalman

433 posts

um...wave 185 is a normal wave with 15 monsters, and the giants from 126 were running up against my grade 16's-the 185's will probably be encountering grade 15's.

hate to disappoint you, but i only have one grade 18, 3-4 grade 17's, and probably won't get a second for some time to come.

i've also estimated i'll need to bring the monster count back down to around 350 before i can simply relax-note how far the 212 monsters cover.
http://tinypic.com/r/157bu5s/3

fortuitously, much of that is because i was replacing gems underneath the monsters, thus unfreezing some.  still, much of it comes from multiple traps targeting the same monster; somewhat faster kills, but fewer monsters held.

 
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