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Posted May 27, '10 at 11:56pm

Kyouzou

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If you do nothing, only five die. The sixth person is on a track that isn't in danger. Unless I am greatly mistaken, that is.


Sorry, my mistake wasn't really paying attention when I typed that :S
 

Posted May 28, '10 at 11:38am

DDX

DDX

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but see, most of you who try to save both groups of the people on the tracks know that the problem doesnt let you physically do that, because it defeats the purpose of posing a question of ethics. DO you want to play god? because you could just be apathetic to the cause, There was an article about how 45 witnesses saw a man stab a woman a couple of times, she screamed and the man ran away, the woman then crawled around to the back to get help. and the man came and finished the job 20 minutes later. That kind of apathy exists in the society today because many of cant be bothered. in all reality. the question posed is the question, there are no tricks and turns. but thanks for the responses....

new question later today, after I do some thinking on one. (so you guys cant turn it into some kind of brain teaser)

 

Posted May 28, '10 at 6:23pm

Bluydee

Bluydee

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Assuming everyone is completely normal in this scenario, it would logically be better to save the five, rather than the one. The five would always do more good to society, assuming they are not traumatized, and get over the experience.

 

Posted May 30, '10 at 10:10am

DDX

DDX

3,680 posts

New question:
You are an emergency worker that has just been called to the scene of an accident. When you arrive you see that the car belongs to your wife. Fearing the worst you rush over to see she is trapped in her car with another man.

She sees you and although barely conscious, she manages to mouth the words âIâm sorryââ¦

You donât understand, but her look answers you question. The man next to her is her lover with whom sheâs been having an affair.

You reel back in shock, devastated by what her eyes have just told you. As you step back, the wreck in front of you comes into focus. You see your wife is seriously hurt and she needs attention straight away. Even if she gets attention thereâs a very high chance sheâll die.

You look at the seat next to her and see her lover. Heâs bleeding heavily from a wound to the neck and you need to stem the flow of blood immediately. It will only take about 5 minutes to stop, but it will mean your wife will definitely die.

If you tend to your wife however, the man will bleed to death despite the fact it could have been avoided.

Who would you choose to work on?

IT'S NOT A TRICK QUESTION/BRAIN TEASER, YOU CANT SAVE BOTH, YOU NOOBS.
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a friend forwarded this question to me, it was quite interesting, so here is what im going to do.

No, you can't save both, and this time you also cannot be apathetic due to the fact you have an obligation as a social service worker.

poast and toast my friends.

 

Posted May 30, '10 at 10:48am

314d1

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This is not a realistic question, as why would there be only you? In a true scenario there would be several medics as well as several police officers. Ill just ad "Non realistic" to my list... Plus, you would be able to save both if your cleaver enough or if the situation allows it...

The probable ethical thing to do would be to grantee the safety of the man. Considering you have to be bleeding rather heavily to die, especially from one wound, then he must be gushing blood several feet. By the way, how did he get a neck wound in a car crash? Anyway, since you seem to be alone it would be pointless to try and save your wife, since you don't have backup and you don't seem to have tools. Call it an early divorce.

But of course logically in a true scenario not only would you always to to save both people, but you would have more people who would be trained in the field of medicine, plus the ambulance full of medical tools. You would be able to save the man and have a chance of saving your wife. This should go into the game forum, as it has no bearing I can see on the WEPR....

 

Posted May 30, '10 at 1:12pm

Kyouzou

Kyouzou

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he must be gushing blood several feet.


He would already be dead oh logical one.

how did he get a neck wound in a car crash?


Window shattered, windshield shattered, roof buckled etc. it's not hard to do...

n a true scenario there would be several medics as well as several police officers.


off duty simply happened to be closest to the scene
 

Posted May 30, '10 at 1:22pm

Kyouzou

Kyouzou

5,231 posts

Ack! Sorry about the double post, accidentally hit submit.

I would save the person who has the best chance at living a normal life, her boyfriend has a neck wound and is unresponsive, so he may be paralyzed, go into a coma, or even brain dead. The wife was at least conscious, not to mention she is my wife. Aren't the vows

"for better or for worse,
for richer or for poorer,
in sickness and in health,
to love and to cherish"

Sure she didn't live by them, that doesn't mean I shouldn't either.

 

Posted May 30, '10 at 1:45pm

314d1

314d1

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He would already be dead oh logical one.


It was a hyperbole. He merely stated "bleeding heavily", so you would have to assume the worst that is not instant death.

Window shattered, windshield shattered, roof buckled etc. it's not hard to do...


It is without bleeding anywhere else. Since there is no other car, it is probably a crash into an inanimate object, thus front of the car would hit something making it unlikely for the roof to buckle in and the glass would hit in more arias then the neck.

off duty simply happened to be closest to the scene


If your off duty then you would have not have gotten called in, you would be in an ambulance. It would be illogical to go to the scene of the accident by yourself in a civilian vehicle.
 

Posted May 30, '10 at 8:48pm

DDX

DDX

3,680 posts

This is not a realistic question, as why would there be only you? In a true scenario there would be several medics as well as several police officers. Ill just ad "Non realistic" to my list... Plus, you would be able to save both if your cleaver enough or if the situation allows it...

well durr, first of all there would be 2 police officers 2 firetrucks and 2 ambulances. with that concluding to 4 EMTs. just because it addresses only you doesnt mean that there aren't other around.

I've been apart of the fire department I know how things work. I however am using a question that a friend found online, which is why I posted "not from me"

This should go into the game forum, as it has no bearing I can see on the WEPR....


well why dont you petition to have it moved then. Don't need to tell me about it, as Im not a mod.

I talked with one of the mods before, and they agreed that it should go into the world events/ other section. so seriously if you arent going to post productively then don't post at all.

buckle in and the glass would hit in more arias then the neck.

you mean areas.
 

Posted May 30, '10 at 8:50pm

wajor59

wajor59

935 posts

New question:
You are an emergency worker that has just been called to the scene of an accident. When you arrive you see that the car belongs to your wife. Fearing the worst you rush over to see she is trapped in her car with another man.

She sees you and although barely conscious, she manages to mouth the words �I�m sorry��

You don�t understand, but her look answers you question. The man next to her is her lover with whom she�s been having an affair.

You reel back in shock, devastated by what her eyes have just told you. As you step back, the wreck in front of you comes into focus. You see your wife is seriously hurt and she needs attention straight away. Even if she gets attention there�s a very high chance she�ll die.


Of course, I would have to switch sexes and say this is my husband with his lover,(male or female,wouldn't matter). As a professional, I would have to switch off all emotion until after my shift is finished.

You look at the seat next to her and see her lover. He�s bleeding heavily from a wound to the neck and you need to stem the flow of blood immediately. It will only take about 5 minutes to stop, but it will mean your wife will definitely die.


Having said this the first thing I have to do is assess what I can do now. I would try to free and treat the "lover" first as it's been determined the "spouse" is trapped.

If you tend to your wife however, the man will bleed to death despite the fact it could have been avoided.

Who would you choose to work on?


This is purely a professional decision that comes from my training, not an emotional decision that may cause both to die, needlessly.
The lover will be worked on first since he will live if I stem the flow of blood.

This is not a realistic question, as why would there be only you? In a true scenario there would be several medics as well as several police officers. Ill just ad "Non realistic" to my list... Plus, you would be able to save both if your cleaver enough or if the situation allows it...


Your theory fails already because this isn't a trick question. This is a perfectly realistic scenario as I could have been the supervisor thus I would be the first on scene. Regardless, these decisions are made every day in the real world and besides, this isn't a brain-teaser question, remember?