ForumsWEPR[necro]Ethics: Your choice

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DDX
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This will be an ethical question thread, that will relate mainly to religious beliefs and ethics. Hopefully it will be a good idea and people will want to play.

Each week I will present a topic, and you may discuss it, and bring your morality into the question.

This week:
soldiers have come to search your house! They will kill you and eat you if they find you. You are hiding in the closet farther away from the door than your friend who is hiding underneath a sofa. The people eating soldiers stop in front of the sofa, and start bending over slowly to see if there is anyone underneath it. You see this through the crack in the door. You have 2 choices to jump out, scream and run out the door to save your bestest friend in the whole world, or you can watch them drag him away.

basically would you save yourself? or would you save your friend.

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czecha
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I read all the comments on the new ethic question and I was thinking quite the same that HiddenDistance said. It really depends on what are the reasons why you hate him. In the case someone did that to my mother and to me I would not just not help him, I think I would also laugh about his situation. All in all this scenario is quite similar to the first one with the soldiers eating your friend. Your decision just doesn't depend on how much you like your friend but on how much you hate your enemy. Other factors are how you think how dangerous it is to help him and how much you are feared. I'd say it must be consideraby less dangerous than in the first scenario for most of the people.

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I see what your trying to say czecha but my nature would make it very hard for me to just leave a person lying there suffering, I mean sure if it was a wanted criminal like a Bin Laden or a child molester i'd have no problems walking away without looking back, but if i hate this guy/girl for something thats not all that important i'd probably save them.

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lets say you are a doctor...

If a person wants to have a healthy limb amputated, should that medical procedure be performed? This sounds like a bizarre question - after all, who would want such a thing? As a matter of fact, doctors and psychologists are beginning to acknowledge that there is a surprisingly significant number of people who suffer from something called apotemnophilia, the desire to see themselves become amputees and who are attracted (often sexually) to the idea of amputation.

Would you do it? even though you knew that he would have trouble surviving, would you still do it? Money is the motivating factor in this one, as you make a butt load of money from one amputation (very complicated, because you have to seal each vessel to the limb otherwise the patient will bleed to death).

Cmon doctor, what now?


hope you like this one, new question on tuesday.

samdawghomie
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That's a tough one but me personally I would probably do it for the money. I mean, who wouldn't that much money to amutate a limb for somebody, DUH! I could do alot of things with that kind of money; pay off the bills my dad hasn't paid, by an Xbox 360, save some for college. Thats just me, know thinking from a doctor's perspective you probably woundn't because you'd be thinking about how the patient would seal with this. Anyways being a doctor you alredy make a lot of money so why would need to. It would be a waste of time.
So, yeah there's my answer.
Me, definitely.
Doctor, no.

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If you didn't do it he would just go find some other dr to do it or worse do it himself. I watched a documentary about the disorder ages ago thogh I can't remember much just what you said. But the dr.s in that did the operation I think. I would try to talk them out of it and get a psychologist to help me but if they really wanted it I would do it for their safety.

even though you knew that he would have trouble surviving,


I don;t understand this bit. Amputee survival rates are high or do you mean something else?
DDX
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I don;t understand this bit. Amputee survival rates are high or do you mean something else?


on the surgery table, if the limb is not "dead" i.e necrosis is setting in, they have to instantly cauterize the wound or, seal off each individual vessel. Otherwise the patient has a 30% chance of bleeding to death.

now 30 % you say, well for people in the medical profession they consider most things over 20% to be dangerous. because that is 1 in every 5 people dieing from surgery. ect.
Pixie214
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wow thanks for that DDX I didn;t know the % was that high for a procedure like this. Then again it doesn't change my opinion. I wonder whether he would get it on the NHS, they do gastic bands for fat people so they might do this. I still think it would be better just to do the op now than wait for him to get desperate and do something stupid.

DDX
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It is because the arm part above your biceps near your shoulder is fairly close to the artery, and with "flash bleeding" the doctor has to work under tremendous pressure to mend all of the vessels, or just burn them all, but it leaves horrendous scarring and pain. The procedure does not have that much fatality if it is just the hand or forearm, or below the shins, I should have made that clearer sorry.

anyway, I will post my take on it after moar people see it

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Am I desperate for money? If not, I don't see any reason to hurt this man. It's kind of like cutting yourself, I don't want people to cut themselves but they want to cut themselves, right? If I was desperate for money, and had no other way to get it, I would probably do it.

DDX
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Well, I guess I would also be motivated by the money, because really it's the pretty green stuff, or orange stuff (new United States currency is orangeish) O.o

I would attempt to persuade him to not go through with it, but I have to say, I would probably be reluctant and the driving force behind that would be my guilty conscience.

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I wouldn't want to do it but chances are that if its a psych disorder then he'll either A. Use something to cut it off himself or B. Go to another doctor who may or may not screw up and get the poor man killed. I would try to get him not to do it but if he was really driven for it, i would go through with the procedure.

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I'd do the procedure. He wants to do something with his body, it's his buisness. Besides, if he was really that keen on it, they'd probably try to do it themselves if they were really stupid, or go to some country where the doctors have less scruples & less skill.

I would, however - use the opportunity to include the chance to use the arm in a potential appendage donation procedure to someone that had lost an arm; which may include making the person wait for the procedure until their.. 'extra' limb is required by a person who lost a limb in an accident.

Science!

DDX
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I would, however - use the opportunity to include the chance to use the arm in a potential appendage donation procedure to someone that had lost an arm; which may include making the person wait for the procedure until their.. 'extra' limb is required by a person who lost a limb in an accident.


lol... that would be soo hard. First youd have to fine the matching blood type, and youd have to reconnect the tissue, nerves and blood vessels.

good stuffs otherwise
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I wonder if anyone's tried though, actually transplanting a limb from one person to another, just the sheer amount of nerves that you'd have to reconnect is dangerous not counting blood vessels and blood types and if the body rejects the arm. Planning on posting a new topic soon DDX?

HiddenDistance
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Yeah.. it would be difficult; all of the worthwhile things I've ever done have been hard though, and given an opportunity like that, I don't think it would be prudent to pass up the chance to try.

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