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Posted Mar 22, '08 at 2:51am

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It is well known by its use in converting the minds of innocent folks in Germany. It has found its use in governmental and commercial purposes.

Is propaganda necessary to be used to impose ideas on the innocent?

How does propaganda work?

Is this morally correct?

 

Posted Mar 22, '08 at 10:08am

Gimgak

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Propaganda is unecessary. I don't think it's morally correct. it's like brainwashing

 

Posted Mar 22, '08 at 10:49am

Megamickel

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All governments use propaganda, regardless of whether you realize it or not. Propaganda is very important in order to keep people from acting out on their own. Governments have enough instability to deal with within themselves - they don't need an uprising from the people.

 

Posted Mar 22, '08 at 11:20am

Asherlee

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That is one form of propaganda that Megamickel mentions. It is one of the fewer benefits (in a Utilitarian PoV) of its intentions. The problem is that it is not usually used in that way. Let's look at the propaganda from the Iraq war. I nicked this from wiki:

During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Iraqi Information Minister Mohammed Saeed al-Sahaf repeatedly claimed Iraqi forces were decisively winning every battle. Even up to the overthrow of the Iraqi government at Baghdad, he maintained that the United States would soon be defeated, in contradiction with all other media. Due to this, he quickly became a cult figure in the West, and gained recognition on the website WeLoveTheIraqiInformationMinister.com. The Iraqis who were misled by his propaganda were shocked when Iraq was defeated.

Propaganda is usually used in morally illicit ways and to gain for the government with no concern of the consequence of the people. Serbia did the same thing a while back. I do not think that lying and emphasizing on specifics things to stretch the truth is a way to run a government. I would think there would be an uprising once the propaganda is exposed.

 

Posted Mar 22, '08 at 11:29am

Moegreche

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There are certain words, like propaganda and nationalism, that I feel we apply to other countries but don't use those terms on ourselves.
We talk about ethnic nationalism or state nationalism, but in the States it's called being "patriotic."
I think there are elements of propoganda in schools and somewhat littered throughout our society, but they're simply not labeled as such.

 

Posted Mar 23, '08 at 9:39pm

Eshploded

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Okay. Now is a good time for the maker to step into this.

I have done no research whatsoever on how propaganda works, but I thought about it and stated an undeveloped idea: Propaganda works by appealing to the immediate consciousness and mimics familiarity and righteousness. The propaganda may be conditioned with other forms of good things that may be around or in the person's mind. For example, propaganda can work as subliminal messages (not literally messages, though). A kid may see a certain poster in the background right before he eats his favorite meal in a good restaurant. He may then become familiar with the poster and assosciate goodness with it because he remembers eating right before looking at it. It then appears in his immediate conscious at times and is forced to think about it, and finally thinks it is right due to the goodness it was conditioned with.

****. I got lost in that tangent and don't know what I was going to say next. Anybody know any other forms of propaganda that they would like to explain?

 

Posted Mar 23, '08 at 9:50pm

Armed_Blade

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Well, parenting is probably the most akward way to look at it, but Parents obviously tell there child what to do, and they morally believe them. :P

Anyway, to the real stuff, Propoganda is anything that is.. Insipirationally pulling you to an idea. For example, when America wished for Liberation from Britian, all the flyers and stuff from writers really pushed up the army efforts. The propoganda helped by pushing the country from its knees to standing tall after defeating Britian.

Other forms such as presidents, speeches, or TV [If the leaders of the country want the idea] can easily influence you with this mini-propoganda [whichi is huge when you put it together] and you have a bunchah followers. Great way if your doing something right, unfortunatly it doesn't work much like that. :P

 

Posted Mar 23, '08 at 9:51pm

PaintballKing17

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The Nazis were the best at propaganda, i would say

 

Posted Mar 23, '08 at 9:54pm

Armed_Blade

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but.. they're propoganda was really cheap. :(

'Sides the real jewish haters, The Nazi's put propoganda down at the roots of starting schools, and much of the lasting army was put into effect due to their love of their "Fatherland". They believed they were following loyalty. :S

I say, if Propoganda is just for uplifting spirits or showing problems in the world and how to help 'em, by all means enlight the world to help.

If its something morally illicit, murder it, ignore it, let it die. Kind of like a useless post in the forum. xP

 

Posted Mar 23, '08 at 9:55pm

Eshploded

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Yeah. I was trying to explain how the nazi media-sublimation proganda worked. I just used an example. The kid is the t-v watcher/radio listener, and the poster is the occasional commercial popping up trying to convert the people.