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Posted Apr 1, '08 at 5:25pm

opentotruth

opentotruth

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i agnostic right now i was catholic until i was about 6 then i lost faith but dotn get me started on religion so ill leave my reply to i have no religion

 

Posted Apr 1, '08 at 5:31pm

Sting

Sting

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Without religion, what is stopping you from going over and stealing your neighbor's nice car?  If you don't believe in religion, you probably believe in evolution and natural selection, or survival of the fittest.  If you have religion, you have a reason not to steal, kill, etc, but otherwise there is no right or wrong in the world.

 

Posted Apr 1, '08 at 5:55pm

Spartan

Spartan

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Im catholic Om its just the persons opionion if they like thier religon or not.It depends what they belive in so thats what it leads up too

 

Posted Apr 1, '08 at 6:10pm

Moegreche

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For me, even though I'm an atheist, that doesn't mean I do whatever I want.  While I reject any kind of universal morality, I recognize that many people have crappy jobs and a lot of unhappiness.  Since I know that this is their only chance for happiness, I try to do what I can for people to make their existence a little less bleak.
Some of the greatest ethics philosophers have needed a god in order to have rewards or punishments - but I simply enjoy trying to be nice to people and I generally feel bad when I'm not so nice.  God doesn't enter into the equation for me.

 

Posted Apr 1, '08 at 9:49pm

Skipper8656568

Skipper8656568

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I am not going to tell my religion but i think that it is right because it draws people together and it makes them realize what they need, and the leader is in direct communication with your self

 

Posted Apr 1, '08 at 9:51pm

Sting

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I can kindof understand what Moegreche is saying two posts above mine, but still, when did you acquire this conscience?  According to evolution, only the strongest survive, and having pity/mercy for others does not help you survive any better.  This is my question: at what point did things change?

 

Posted Apr 1, '08 at 10:09pm

Armed_Blade

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The point when religion poofed. Now, people are holding the morals of that religion and throwing whatever else was their behind. As such, their killing the root meaning of why those morals were made, for the person following the religion.

You know, its recorded that before the history of great prophets in history, Murder, rape, gambling, drinking were so common you'd feel like your on the streets of Baghdad all year round. Once people understood that things like brotherhood and morals were, Communities pounded open. So you wouldn't steal your neighbors car if yours broke down, you could just ask for a ride the next time they go to the mall/foodstore/ etc.

 

Posted Apr 1, '08 at 10:12pm

Moegreche

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I made a post in the Construction Religion thread that answers your question, Sting.  Basically, it seems that morality must have existed before religion - it just wouldn't have been called "morality."

 

Posted Apr 1, '08 at 10:17pm

Armed_Blade

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It did in the hearts of good people, Moe. But it didn't keep people away from other dangers. You dont' think getting alcoholic can cause you to murder? Back then death punishments were valid. I don't know. I believe that morality did exist, but it was a weak, useless word that affected good natured individuals. [And I can assure you, there aren't many people born that way]

 

Posted Apr 1, '08 at 10:23pm

Sting

Sting

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Really?  I didn't see a post that really answered my question of how conscience just 'magically' appeared, after suppossedly millions and millions of years of just doing what you can to survive.  I mean, with that philosophy, I guess cavemen would eventually learn to work together, but every time they had the chance they should have still taken advantage of one another, if they could have gotten away with it.