Armor Games

Again, a rather retarded reason to support something.

Good thing that isn't my full reason for supporting it, I support some of it because I think it will work, I support the rest of it because of the republican reaction.  Please read the entire post and THINK about it before responding this time.

first it's the schools

if you think public schools are a bad thing, then i have no confidence in any opinions of yours.

in regards to the topic: it's overall a good thing, we need some control in the health care industry.  a step beginning the change we need (even though it sounds corny and I'm plagiarizing Obama).

But of course, no one will EVER read the entire thing. Ever. It is too long. This is the failing. They passed it not knowing what is in the entire bill.

the reason this bill took so long to pass, and why so many take so long to pass, is that the entire thing was read.  this bill started off in the spring, it's been half a year since the main bulk of it has been presented.  that main part has been edited maybe twice, but other than that it's been mostly just additions (earmarks, abortion, etc) and deletions.

it's too important of a bill for the Republicans not to read-- they search for mistakes, another reason to pick it apart.

I personally think that the schools should be privatized.  It disappointments me that classical education is hardly ever used anymore.  The only way they read classic works of art is if they do it in their own time.

I won't be happy with congress until they get all the illegals out of our country.  That they still haven't dealt with immigration after all these years amazes me.

Good thing that isn't my full reason for supporting it, I support some of it because I think it will work, I support the rest of it because of the republican reaction.  Please read the entire post and THINK about it before responding this time.

That's not really a good reason to support the bill, even if it isn't your full reason. Standpoints on issues should affect your decision, not basic politics. It doesn't matter WHO says something, but WHAT is being said. That's something I think most people have a hard time trying to do, but you should never purposely take a standpoint just to disagree with someone.

That's not really a good reason to support the bill, even if it isn't your full reason. Standpoints on issues should affect your decision, not basic politics. It doesn't matter WHO says something, but WHAT is being said. That's something I think most people have a hard time trying to do, but you should never purposely take a standpoint just to disagree with someone.

I did originally support it for what was in it, but it changed and I was too lazy to keep up with what it was changing to.  As for the what was said, not who, what about the things the republicans were saying was true/worth hearing/had any sign of intelligence?  I do support the bill for what it says and what I believe it can do for the country, but the republicans failed so bad in their response that I support it even more than I would if they hadn't gone nuts.

As for the what was said, not who, what about the things the republicans were saying was true/worth hearing/had any sign of intelligence? I do support the bill for what it says and what I believe it can do for the country, but the republicans failed so bad in their response that I support it even more than I would if they hadn't gone nuts.

That's all fine, but what you are saying is that you DIDN'T know what to think, so you listened to slander from the opposing side and then decided to support it. I'm not going to be less conservative because people in the party I tend to support say something ignorant.

I did originally support it for what was in it, but it changed and I was too lazy to keep up with what it was changing to.

If this is true, then how can you support the bill for what it says? I don't know enough about this bill to fully support or disagree with it, but if I had to choose, I would have to go against it. I can't begin to predict the consequences, as both sides have completely different views, and despite the time it took to get this bill voted on at last, the 1000+ pages PLUS revisions still makes it seem like a rushed bill. I cannot support a rushed bill.

Good thing that isn't my full reason for supporting it, I support some of it because I think it will work, I support the rest of it because of the republican reaction.  Please read the entire post and THINK about it before responding this time.

You finally said something other than because Republicans don't like it. Now what part do you think will work?

first it's the schools

I never said that public schools were bad, I said that they were the first thing to be governmently controlled. Look at how it's made private schooling. Kind of excluded everyone that doesn't have a surplus of money from going to them. Also, for some reason, they don't want vouchers, why would that be? Still your tax money, why not transfer?

the reason this bill took so long to pass, and why so many take so long to pass, is that the entire thing was read.  this bill started off in the spring, it's been half a year since the main bulk of it has been presented.  that main part has been edited maybe twice, but other than that it's been mostly just additions (earmarks, abortion, etc) and deletions.

No, the reason it took so long to pass was a, constant debating over it, b, all the add ons and take outs. Just because it's long doesn't mean it's a good bill, it means that they have more chances to mess with it and screw it up further.

despite the time it took to get this bill voted on at last, the 1000+ pages PLUS revisions still makes it seem like a rushed bill. I cannot support a rushed bill.

Just wondering, but if you consider 1000 pages plus revisions RUSHED, then what do you consider thought out? It took them about 8 months to work out this bill. Let's see how long it takes you to write 1000+ pages of laws and stipulations. Not that im for the bill, but you seem to think that it's very easy to make a bill and get it passed.

You do realize he has done absolutely nothing with it?

You do realise that you are incorrect? This is one of his chief ideological aims, and has been for years. The President can't affect the progress of the Bill directly due to the separation of powers and all that, but if it weren't for him, it would have never been introduced in the first place.

Of course this is a good thing. You Americans pride yourselves on being the most successful affluent nation in the world, and yet tens of millions of your citizens can't afford basic healthcare. In my eyes that's a total disgrace.

Also the argument that you should earn healthcare is complete bull****. Considering that the US has one of the lowest levels of social mobility of all developed nations, if you are born unable to afford healthcare, it has been statistically proven you are likely to die poor unable to afford healthcare. Logically, some provision should be made for these people who have drawn the short straw in life.

Just wondering, but if you consider 1000 pages plus revisions RUSHED, then what do you consider thought out? It took them about 8 months to work out this bill. Let's see how long it takes you to write 1000+ pages of laws and stipulations. Not that im for the bill, but you seem to think that it's very easy to make a bill and get it passed.

I think you misunderstood me. I don't think it's easy to make a bill and get it passed. I'm saying that yes, it should take a long time, and it really didn't, considering the size and revisions.
I guess I shouldn't say it's a rushed bill; it's more like it was rushed to get through, that there wouldn't be much time to read through it AND comprehend the positives and negatives of the meaning, disguised with a wide range of vocabulary that the average American doesn't even understand.

Just because it's long doesn't mean it's a good bill, it means that they have more chances to mess with it and screw it up further.

What you said here pretty much sums up my thinking on the bill.