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Gay Marriage-Should it be Legal or not?

Posted Aug 22, '10 at 7:39am

MageGrayWolf

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I for one, don't actually think that people who think gay marriage should not be legal are actually bigots, nor were people in the 60's racist, etc. etc. Now, I'm not saying that the things they believed in were good or that I support them, I'm saying that a lot of them were good people who were just corrupted by what their parents told them, and what their grandparents told them, and what society told them. It's like religion; if you're told something is true from birth, by people you trust like your parents(who themselves sincerely believe that what they're teaching you is true) then of course you're going to believe them, and you can't be faulted for that.


Again going back to the definition of bigot.

bigot; a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance


How does the fact they learned to be intolerant from an early age change the fact they hold bigoted views?
 

Posted Aug 22, '10 at 10:12am

Hypermnestra

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How does the fact they learned to be intolerant from an early age change the fact they hold bigoted views?

Okay, I misspoke. What I meant to say is, they cannot be blamed for being bigots. Yes, maybe they are bigots, but no, I do not think that we should punish them for that, because they believe what they were told.
 

Posted Aug 22, '10 at 11:16am

AnaLoGMunKy

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I do not think that we should punish them for that, because they believe what they were told.


This doesnt mean that bigots should be let away with it. Nothing physical but they need a mental spanking.
 

Posted Aug 22, '10 at 11:18am

Hypermnestra

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This doesnt mean that bigots should be let away with it. Nothing physical but they need a mental spanking.

Well, it's not like being a bigot ever hurt anyone, right? I mean, beating someone up is one thing, but bigotry is on a far lower level of intolerance. We should let them have their opinions and we shouldn't punish them for it because just as gays and lesbians should have equal rights to do what they want, bigots should have equal rights to think what they want. As long as it's not hurting anyone, why should we bother them?
 

Posted Aug 22, '10 at 11:24am

Moe

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As long as it's not hurting anyone, why should we bother them?


They are hurting society as a whole though.
 

Posted Aug 22, '10 at 11:38am

AnaLoGMunKy

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I agree that if a bigot has crazy views and says them but doesnt hurt anyone then of course, a mental spanking is all thats needed. Everyone has some kind of bigoted view in them. But Moe is right, its not just some harmless talk and these people are getting in the way of peoples lifes. If it hurts noone then leave it be, if it supresses because someone doesnt like it and has to dredge up reasons that defy logic to defend their bigoted view, spank em!

 

Posted Aug 22, '10 at 3:20pm

Hypermnestra

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They are hurting society as a whole though.

So are idiots and the mentally ill, but you don't see anyone "mentally spanking" them, do you?

I agree that if a bigot has crazy views and says them but doesnt hurt anyone then of course, a mental spanking is all thats needed.

But why would we do that? I mean, it's not like we're actually ever going to change their minds(anyone who's argued with them knows that),so why punish them pointlessly? Even a "mental spanking" hurts, because what I'm getting from the way you're putting it is that you want us to insult them for their views?
Everyone has some kind of bigoted view in them.

Precisely, and we can't really control what we think or believe. We can try, but once a thought's in our head, we can't really kick it out.
But Moe is right, its not just some harmless talk and these people are getting in the way of peoples lifes.

Again, I cite idiots and the mentally ill. We cannot change their minds, it is not something they can control, so why should we punish them for it? For example, there are a few idiots who hinder science because they believe that the present scientific direction is incorrect, and they won't change their mind. And getting in the way of peoples' lives is a useless argument in the case of gay marriage because states are already beginning to pass laws legalizing it, so at this point the argument is pointless. Even if it weren't, and it isn't entirely, what will that do? We shouldn't punish people for what they believe any more than we should punish people for their orientation, because it's something that they can't really change about themselves, and it can be detrimental to the person if they try.
If it hurts noone then leave it be, if it supresses because someone doesnt like it and has to dredge up reasons that defy logic to defend their bigoted view, spank em!

These people don't "dredge up" reasons that defy logic, that's what they were taught by their parents and what their parents were taught by their grandparents. They truly believe in what they are saying, so they have a right to defend their bigot views, and if they believe that something is wrong, then they should have a right to try and stop it. Who are we to say that we are totally right? We may be(I believe we are) but these people do not believe us. I just don't see the point in punishing people when it will have no effect.
 

Posted Aug 22, '10 at 4:32pm

AnaLoGMunKy

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Why do you have this "punishment" in your head.

My mental spanking is to stand up to them. Idiots are idiots and the mentally ill are ill. They dont have a choice. When I see someone with a brain defy the logic then I need to state my opposition. Not saying anything is right, but thats an entierly different argument. I dont care if their parents taught them anything at all. What difference does that make to an intelligent mind. Sure it has an effect, but I dont believe all the things my parents do.

Also Im not trying to force them to change their minds. After all, they are human and are unlikely to just come back and say "yes, you are right, I was wrong to think gays, blacks, whites, women or whatever else was inferior.

No... I will not stand by and say nothing. Voices must be heard. Im here to cause waves and words or communication do more than you give it credit for.

 

Posted Aug 22, '10 at 5:29pm

Hypermnestra

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My mental spanking is to stand up to them.
That's my bad, then. Misunderstanding. "Mental spanking" sounds like a punishment, though, doesn't it? If it was to stand up to them, why didn't you just clarify that?
 

Posted Aug 22, '10 at 7:54pm

AnaLoGMunKy

AnaLoGMunKy

1,631 posts

If it was to stand up to them, why didn't you just clarify that?


Well thats why its called a mental spanking. Not mental as in going mental. But your mentality. Using the intellect. I forget other countrys have a different idea on the same word.

My friend went to america and called someone crazy, which they took great offence to. In UK its pretty much a compliment. Unless you say it in a bad way, but even then, we are all crazy over here so... meh!
 
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