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MrDayCee

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Posted March 15, '11 10:10pm UTC

A lot of people have been asking me when the new edition of the 'CRBWC' would finally start (and I'm sorry it took me so long...), but I wanted to make the second edition even better and more fun than the first one!
(In case you wonder what the first one looked like: this is the 'CRBWC 2010'.)

After hours of fun (and stress!) in figuring out the new CRBWC schematics, the gathering of info on the participating bands and fabricating the additional pictures to it all, I'm proud of the final outcome and so, without further delay, let's kick off the 2011 edition of the

Now, some changes have been made to the second edition of this competition, so reading the rules and guidelines is something everyone needs to do, even the voters from last year's edition are advised to...

The format of this World Cup for Classical Rock Bands is based upon the organisation schematics of the Soccer World Cup. It has the same rules as the Soccer World Cup in terms of competitors proceeding through it, but it will follow a few rules of its own too.
Below is a short guide to elaborate the >binding rules< for this competition:

-The 'CRBWC' consist of a total of 24 rounds being presented one at a time.
-Each round will be open for voting for a maximum of 2 weeks or untill a band reaches the points limit.

-Each user of ArmorGames who wants to give a vote has the possibility to vote only once per round.
-All votes given by users are obligated to consist of an elaborated reasoning as to 'why' you choose these two bands. Votes lacking a proper elaborated reasoning, for example: "I like them" or "They rule", will not be counted. Elaborate on why you like them and talk about them, that's the main goal of this competition!
-Different to last year's edition, this time each vote in the group stage of this competition will consist of naming a "First choice" with with a value of 3 points and a "Second choice" with a value of 1 point.
-You only get to vote for two bands in a group. NO double voting for a single band and/or NO voting for more than two bands per group. No exceptions will be made in this matter.
-If two bands reach the limit of 30 points at the same time, the band with the most "First choices" will be declared as the winner of that round.
-The rule explained above, also applies if two bands reach a similar point count for second place at the same time in the 'Group Stage'.
-If, for any reason, two bands reach the limit of 30 points simultaniously and both have an equal amount of first and second choices, the band getting it's 'winning vote' first will be declared the winner.
-Further rounds after the group stage will have a 1 point count for each vote given and an according 10 points limit. Rules for declaring a winner will be applied according to the group stage rules.
-No discussions about the ruling on the outcome of a round are allowed.

# THE GROUP STAGE:
-This stage will behold 8 different groups (A to H) consisting of 7 Classical Rock Bands to choose from.
-After closure, both the 'group winner' and the 'runner up' band will proceed to the knockout stage.
-All other remaining bands are eliminated from the competition.

THE KNOCKOUT STAGE:
-After completing the Group stage, the 'group winner' of the first group will be up against the 'runner up' of the second group. The 'group winner' of the second group will be up against the 'runner up' of the first group. This schedule will be followed for the rest of the groups, to clarify:
#1 Group A vs. #2 Group B (Winning band is called 'Winner I'
#1 Group B vs. #2 Group A (Winning band is called 'Winner II'
#1 Group C vs. #2 Group D (Winning band is called 'Winner III'
#1 Group D vs. #2 Group C (Winning band is called 'Winner IV'
#1 Group E vs. #2 Group F (Winning band is called 'Winner V'
#1 Group F vs. #2 Group E (Winning band is called 'Winner VI'
#1 Group G vs. #2 Group H (Winning band is called 'Winner VII'
#1 Group H vs. #2 Group G (Winning band is called 'Winner VIII'

THE 1/4 FINALS:
-The next stage, the 1/4 finals, will be held in this order:
# Winner I vs. Winner V
# Winner II vs. Winner VI
# Winner III vs. Winner VII
# Winner IV vs. Winner VIII

THE SEMI FINALS:
-The semi finals will be held in the order of:
# Winner I/V vs. Winner II/VI
# Winner III/VII vs. Winner IV/VIII

THE 'SHADOW FINAL':
-A number three and four is decided in a match between both 'losing' bands from the semi finals.
-Ranking of third and fourth place in this Final is decided upon the band that reaches the 10 points limit first.

THE FINAL MATCH:
-The Final match is held between both winning bands from the semi finals.
-When one of the bands in the Final reaches the limit of 10 points first, that band is declared the winner of the competition and is crowned The 'CRBWC' Champion 2011.
-The remaining band is ranked #2 in this competition.

-There will be NO playoffs held in this competition.
-You don't get to complain when 'your band' is eliminated from the competition. "Take the pain..."
-Swearing and obscene language is not tolerated. Always respect the opinion(s) of the other users participating in this thread, even if you disagree with their reasoning.
-If any situation should occur that is not explained and/or guided by the thread's rules, the 'Armor Games Community Forum Rules and Regulations' and the 'Popular Media Rules ("Read these rules or else...&quot' apply and are to be followed for this 'Classic Rock Bands World Cup'. They will be referred to when needed.
You can find them here:
Armor Games Community Forum Rules and Regulations
Popular Media Rules ("Read these rules, or else...&quot

Since this year's 'CRBWC' competition has a little more stuff to work with, I will start off as the sole Moderator for it, but there might be other moderators assigned over time if/when I see fit. Don't ask me for an assignment, since I will only assign people I know to have the same devotion to this competition and they will be revealed when the time comes, ok?

And last, but certainly not least... take heed:
!!! OFFICIAL AG ADMINISTRATORS AND MODERATORS WILL ALWAYS HAVE A BINDING WORD !!!
So, whenever an AG administrator or moderator visits this thread and decides to alter/delete a user's post or take action on an item or discussion, listen and obide to them as you would throughout the rest of the ArmorGames website.

I hope the AG users will like and participate in this 'Classic Rock Bands World Cup'!
So my main advice to all participants is to simply... ENJOY!!!

Now... enough with the talk... shove everything aside and...

A lot of people have been asking me when the new edition of the 'CRBWC' would finally start (and I'm sorry it took me so long...), but I wanted to make the second edition even better and more fun than the first one! ;)\r\n(In case you wonder what the first one looked like: [url=armorgames.com/community/thread/5280188/crbwc-2010-the-classic-rock-bands-world-cup]this is the 'CRBWC 2010'[/url].)\r\n\r\nAfter hours of fun (and stress!) in figuring out the new CRBWC schematics, the gathering of info on the participating bands and fabricating the additional pictures to it all, I'm proud of the final outcome and so, without further delay, let's kick off the 2011 edition of the\r\n\r\n\r\n[img]http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5294/5529788999_de0e158858.jpg[/img]\r\n\r\n\r\nNow, some changes have been made to the second edition of this competition, so reading the rules and guidelines is something everyone needs to do, [i]even the voters from last year's edition are advised to[/i]...\r\n\r\n\r\n[img]http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5097/5530376806_b698294b37.jpg[/img]\r\n\r\nThe format of this World Cup for Classical Rock Bands is based upon the organisation schematics of the Soccer World Cup. It has the same rules as the Soccer World Cup in terms of competitors proceeding through it, but it will follow a few rules of its own too.\r\nBelow is a short guide to elaborate the [b]>binding rules<[/b] for this competition:\r\n\r\n\r\n[img]http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5220/5529789379_02f0090bc2_m.jpg[/img]\r\n\r\n-The 'CRBWC' consist of a total of 24 rounds being presented one at a time.\r\n-Each round will be open for voting for a maximum of 2 weeks or untill a band reaches the points limit.\r\n\r\n\r\n[img]http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5178/5529789643_2c342038b7.jpg[/img]\r\n\r\n-Each user of ArmorGames who wants to give a vote has the possibility to vote only [i]once per round[/i].\r\n-All votes given by users are obligated to consist of an [i]elaborated reasoning[/i] as to 'why' you choose these two bands. Votes lacking a proper elaborated reasoning, for example: "I like them" or "They rule", will not be counted. Elaborate on why you like them and talk about them, that's the main goal of this competition!\r\n-Different to last year's edition, this time each vote in the group stage of this competition will consist of naming a [i]"First choice"[/i] with with a value of [i]3 points[/i] and a [i]"Second choice"[/i] with a value of [i]1 point[/i].\r\n-You only get to vote for two bands in a group. NO double voting for a single band and/or NO voting for more than two bands per group. No exceptions will be made in this matter.\r\n-If two bands reach the limit of 30 points at the same time, the band with the most "First choices" will be declared as the winner of that round.\r\n-The rule explained above, also applies if two bands reach a similar point count for second place at the same time in the 'Group Stage'.\r\n-If, for any reason, two bands reach the limit of 30 points simultaniously and both have an equal amount of first and second choices, the band getting it's 'winning vote' first will be declared the winner.\r\n-Further rounds after the group stage will have a 1 point count for each vote given and an according 10 points limit. Rules for declaring a winner will be applied according to the group stage rules.\r\n-No discussions about the ruling on the outcome of a round are allowed.\r\n\r\n\r\n[img]http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5133/5529789699_ba98e181f8.jpg[/img]\r\n\r\n[b]# THE GROUP STAGE:[/b]\r\n-This stage will behold 8 different groups (A to H) consisting of 7 Classical Rock Bands to choose from.\r\n-After closure, both the 'group winner' and the 'runner up' band will proceed to the knockout stage.\r\n-All other remaining bands are eliminated from the competition.\r\n\r\n[b]THE KNOCKOUT STAGE:[/b]\r\n-After completing the Group stage, the 'group winner' of the first group will be up against the 'runner up' of the second group. The 'group winner' of the second group will be up against the 'runner up' of the first group. This schedule will be followed for the rest of the groups, to clarify:\r\n#1 Group A vs. #2 Group B (Winning band is called 'Winner I')\r\n#1 Group B vs. #2 Group A (Winning band is called 'Winner II')\r\n#1 Group C vs. #2 Group D (Winning band is called 'Winner III')\r\n#1 Group D vs. #2 Group C (Winning band is called 'Winner IV')\r\n#1 Group E vs. #2 Group F (Winning band is called 'Winner V')\r\n#1 Group F vs. #2 Group E (Winning band is called 'Winner VI')\r\n#1 Group G vs. #2 Group H (Winning band is called 'Winner VII')\r\n#1 Group H vs. #2 Group G (Winning band is called 'Winner VIII')\r\n\r\n[b]THE 1/4 FINALS:[/b]\r\n-The next stage, the 1/4 finals, will be held in this order:\r\n# Winner I vs. Winner V\r\n# Winner II vs. Winner VI\r\n# Winner III vs. Winner VII\r\n# Winner IV vs. Winner VIII\r\n\r\n[b]THE SEMI FINALS:[/b]\r\n-The semi finals will be held in the order of:\r\n# Winner I/V vs. Winner II/VI\r\n# Winner III/VII vs. Winner IV/VIII\r\n\r\n[b]THE 'SHADOW FINAL':[/b]\r\n-A number three and four is decided in a match between both 'losing' bands from the semi finals.\r\n-Ranking of third and fourth place in this Final is decided upon the band that reaches the 10 points limit first.\r\n\r\n[b]THE FINAL MATCH:[/b]\r\n-The Final match is held between both winning bands from the semi finals.\r\n-When one of the bands in the Final reaches the limit of 10 points first, that band is declared the winner of the competition and is crowned The 'CRBWC' Champion 2011.\r\n-The remaining band is ranked #2 in this competition.\r\n\r\n\r\n[img]http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5213/5530377280_41f3830f0c.jpg[/img]\r\n\r\n-There will be NO playoffs held in this competition.\r\n-You don't get to complain when 'your band' is eliminated from the competition. "Take the pain..."\r\n-Swearing and obscene language is not tolerated. Always respect the opinion(s) of the other users participating in this thread, even if you disagree with their reasoning.\r\n-If any situation should occur that is not explained and/or guided by the thread's rules, the [i]'Armor Games Community Forum Rules and Regulations'[/i] and the [i]'Popular Media Rules ("Read these rules or else...")'[/i] apply and are to be followed for this 'Classic Rock Bands World Cup'. They will be referred to when needed.\r\nYou can find them here:\r\n[b][url=armorgames.com/page/Forum-Rules]Armor Games Community Forum Rules and Regulations[/url][/b]\r\n[b][url=armorgames.com/community/thread/6635103/read-these-rules-or-else]Popular Media Rules ("Read these rules, or else...")[/url][/b]\r\n\r\nSince this year's 'CRBWC' competition has a little more stuff to work with, I will start off as the sole Moderator for it, but there might be other moderators assigned over time if/when I see fit. Don't ask me for an assignment, since I will only assign people I know to have the same devotion to this competition and they will be revealed when the time comes, ok? ;)\r\n\r\nAnd last, but certainly not least... take heed:\r\n[b]!!! OFFICIAL AG ADMINISTRATORS AND MODERATORS WILL ALWAYS HAVE A BINDING WORD !!![/b]\r\nSo, whenever an AG administrator or moderator visits this thread and decides to alter/delete a user's post or take action on an item or discussion, listen and obide to them as you would throughout the rest of the ArmorGames website.\r\n\r\nI hope the AG users will like and participate in this 'Classic Rock Bands World Cup'!\r\nSo my main advice to all participants is to simply... ENJOY!!! :)\r\n\r\nNow... enough with the talk... shove everything aside and...\r\n\r\n[img]http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5019/5530376744_2f3a765af7_m.jpg[/img]

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dudeguy45

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Peasant

Posted June 30, '11 6:00pm UTC

Nothing here really intrests me here besides Alice Cooper. He has funny lyics, he hosts my local rock radio, and honestly, who doesnt like School's Out?

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delossantosj

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Posted June 30, '11 10:11pm UTC

He has funny lyics, he hosts my local rock radio, and honestly, who doesnt like School's Out?

its not local i promise you, its just broadcasted, recorded, and sent to radio stations. cause i get it as well

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dudeguy45

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Peasant

Posted July 1, '11 3:25am UTC

Well that's a buzzkill.

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MrDayCee

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Posted July 9, '11 2:56pm UTC

All data for the new batch of bands is ready for posting, which will be done tonight (that's about 5-6 hrs from this post), so be quick to state those votes for this group before closure!!!

Countdown is in progress...

(Note: votes stated have probably never been this low EVER! shame... shame... shame...)

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MrDayCee

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Posted July 9, '11 11:11pm UTC

Even a few extra hours couldn't get people to get their votes in before the bell rings... Well maybe... MY PERSONAL VOTES! Hahaa... not that is changes the outcome of this group at all, but still... =P\r\n\r\n[b]Poison[/b] gets my 3-points-vote! They deserve much more than they get, I mean... what other glamrock band is able to make such a huge load of feel-good rock 'nnnn roll music and tops it off with a ballad making it to the peak of just about every chart all over the world?! Let's just say that they're fruit from the [b]poison[/b]-ed tree which I'm more than willing to try over and over! Like NontroppO said: ...[i]yo mama don't dance and yo daddy don't rock and roll[/i]... when you're [i]looking for nothin' but a good time[/i]... with these guys, [i]it don't get better than this[/i]!!!\r\n\r\nMy second vote goes to [b]RaTT[/b]! This band is soooo underrated, I mean... they produced a lot of great songs, but simply had a lot of bad luck, including their record company not providing enough foundation for their music promotional-wise... but hey, they levelled that of with putting some extra foundation on their cheeks! LOL XD\r\n\r\nAs for the rest of the bands, I would only comment something extra about one band... KISS really is in a league of their own on stage, no other band even comes close to these guys in terms of putting on a performance, but other than several excellent hits, that's about it for them. Don't get me wrong, I really like them, but they are simply voted for because of their stage act, not because of their complete picture which should include songs as well... ;)\r\n\r\nSo, to conclude this group, we have the following final score count!\r\n___________________________________________________________\r\n\r\n[b]# Final votes counted for group F : #\r\n\r\nKISS____________: 10 (3 First Votes / 1 Second Vote) - WINNER!\r\nTwisted Sister__: 10 (3 First Votes / 1 Second Vote) - Runner up![/b]\r\nAlice Cooper____:  8 (2 First Votes / 2 Second Votes) - Eliminated...\r\nPoison__________:  4 (1 First Vote / 1 Second Vote) - Eliminated...\r\nRaTT____________:  4 (4 Second Votes) - Eliminated...\r\nMotley Crue_____:  0 (No Votes) - Eliminated...\r\nCinderella______:  0 (No Votes) - Eliminated...\r\n___________________________________________________________\r\n\r\nNow... on with the next group in this competition! Presenting:\r\n \r\n[img]http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6026/5919550531_51f6df261f_b_d.jpg[/img]\r\n \r\n[b]Featured contestants and info (in random order):[/b]\r\n \r\n[b]# Crosby, Stills, Nash (& Young)[/b] [url=www.crosbystillsnash.com/]Official Website[/url] / [url=en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crosby,_Stills,_Nash_%26_Young]Wikipedia Article[/url]\r\n__Example Songs: [url=www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sH0uR2u7Hs]Woodstock (1970)[/url], [url=www.youtube.com/watch?v=pF-oWhD2itE]Just A Song Before I Go (1977)[/url], [url=www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4E1HKbvg50]Wasted On The Way (1982)[/url].\r\n \r\n[b]# Lynyrd Skynyrd[/b] [url=www.lynyrdskynyrd.com/]Official Website[/url] / [url=en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynyrd_Skynyrd]Wikipedia Article[/url]\r\n__Example Songs: [url=www.youtube.com/watch?v=VX3cbFJ3lYU&feature=iv&annotation_id=annotation_104540]Free Bird (1974)[/url], [url=www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwWUOmk7wO0]Sweet Home Alabama (1974)[/url], [url=www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxkoqF8aOMc]What's Your Name (1977)[/url].\r\n \r\n[b]# Van Halen[/b] [url=www.van-halen.com/]Official Website[/url] / [url=en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Halen]Wikipedia Article[/url]\r\n__Example Songs: [url=www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlq0lYB3iSM]Jump (1984)[/url], [url=www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJLk8VjnZBg]Why Can't This Be Love - "LIVE Without A Net" (1986)[/url], [url=www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuIDdv9VAx8]Poundcake (1991)[/url].\r\n \r\n[b]# Bon Jovi[/b] [url=www.bonjovi.com/]Official Website[/url] / [url=en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bon_Jovi]Wikipedia Article[/url]\r\n__Example Songs: [url=www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrZHPOeOxQQ]You Give Love A Bad Name (1986)[/url], [url=www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDK9QqIzhwk]Livin' On A Prayer (1986)[/url], [url=www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOUtsybozjg]Bad Medicine (1988)[/url].\r\n \r\n[b]# Ted Nugent[/b] [url=www.tednugent.com/]Official Website[/url] / [url=en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Nugent]Wikipedia Article[/url]\r\n__Example Songs: [url=www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qu3LTf7wGCs]Hey Baby (1975)[/url], [url=www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIl3AAVdZ3o]Cat Scratch Fever (1977)[/url], [url=www.youtube.com/watch?v=WO8LpipsyDE]Knockin' At Your Backdoor (1984)[/url].\r\n \r\n[b]# ZZ Top[/b] [url=www.zztop.com/]Official Website[/url] / [url=en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZZ_Top]Wikipedia Article[/url]\r\n__Example Songs: [url=www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vppbdf-qtGU]La Grange (1973)[/url], [url=www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pi_ser2_Xm4]Gimme All Your Lovin' (1983)[/url], [url=www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EXXZVdUJ98]Legs (1984)[/url].\r\n \r\n[b]# Quiet Riot[/b] [url=www.officialquietriot.com/]Official Website[/url] / [url=en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quiet_Riot]Wikipedia Article[/url]\r\n__Example Songs: [url=www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJChh7ghGnE]Bang Your Head (Metal Health) (1983)[/url], [url=www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zs2ChjkkMRo]*** On Feel The Noize (1983)[/url], [url=www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubZjbmA1Id0]Mama Weer All Crazee Now (1984)[/url].\r\n \r\nYou know the words...\r\n\r\nOn your marks... get set... ready... eddie... steady... [b]VOTE!!![/b]

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delossantosj

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Posted July 10, '11 2:37am UTC

ew bon jovi..... and lynyrd skynyrd.... bleh

well. my first vote goes to van halen by far. eddie is top 5 greatest rock guitarists of all time easy. the dude was phenominal. not to mention how beast his brother was on the drums, then david lee roth man... dude could sing to the stars. such good talent, such good music

my second vote goes to ted nugent. again, one of the greatest rock guitarists EVER. i love his music so much more than every other band as well

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dudeguy45

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Posted July 10, '11 3:54am UTC

Lynard Skynard. Such distinct sound, good lyrics and always a favorite of mine.

ZZ Top. Catchy songs, and nice riffs. And who coud forget Jim Beard, the only guy in the band with no beard?

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ilberic

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Posted July 10, '11 2:00pm UTC

Wow, kind of a tough one here..

First vote: Van Halen.
I love Eddie's guitar playing (he's one of my all time favorites) and I like pretty much any non-Gary Cherone (sp?) Van Halen song.

Second vote: ZZ Top.
Blues + Rock = ZZ Top. What's not to love about that? The videos, the beards.. again, what's not to love there? Just great consistent performers.

You can give them each 2 points, lol. Now I think I'm gonna go set my ipod to play my batch of music by both of them..

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ilberic

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Posted July 11, '11 2:39am UTC

ZZ Top. Catchy songs, and nice riffs. And who coud forget Jim Beard, the only guy in the band with no beard?

..uh, that'd be Frank Beard, so I guess you forgot?

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dudeguy45

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Peasant

Posted July 11, '11 3:16am UTC

Well me and him are good friends, and he likes to be called Jim.

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iamnotironman

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Nomad

Posted July 11, '11 10:21pm UTC

This ones tough.Trying to decide between Van Halen and Quiet Riot.

1st vote:Bon Jovi.Great,great songs.He has been here forever and I don't know how you can pick against him.Great songs such as Livin on a Prayer and You Give Love a Bad Name.

2nd vote:Van Halen.Eddie was great.Without a Net and Poundcake our some of favorite songs.Great stage presence.David Lee Roth was just pure great.

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Maverick4

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Posted July 11, '11 11:17pm UTC

First Vote- Lynyrd Skynyrd

I admit, there hair scares me. A lot. But there music great. They have good, consistent guitars, and good sounds throughout their music. Free As a Bird and Sweet Home Alabama are classics, and both are some of my favorite songs from the '70s.

Second Vote- Van Halen

Guitar is flipping awesome. Eddie nails it everytime. Really only reason why I listen to them is because of their guitar. They almost always have a solid musical base. Sometimes theire lyrics don't match up with the music, so they only get my second vote.

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Awesatron

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Posted July 12, '11 3:23pm UTC

Van Halen, I think, no wait, ZZ Top, or Bon Jovi, trying to work out who has more songs I like.

I vote for: Bon Jovi

To keep my g/f happy.

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Awesatron

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Nomad

Posted July 12, '11 3:24pm UTC

And 2ndly to keep me happy Van Halen.

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waluigi

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Shepherd

Posted July 12, '11 5:16pm UTC

Alright my votes:

1: Van Halen: Van Halen is just great. Eddie plays guitar incredibly well, with songs like Eruption and Cathedral showing off these skills. Meanwhile, David Lee Roth's vocals are great as well. They weren't quite as good with Sammy Hagar, but still good. Great band overall.

2: Crosby, Stills, and Nash (and Young): This is more of a pity vote for them since I know they won't be getting through, but there are good reasons to vote for them. I love how they have mastered both acoustic and electric sets, having hits in both areas, such as "Suite; Judy Blue Eyes" for acoustic and "Woodstock" for electric. Plus, their vocal harmonies are fantastic, with or without Neil Young in the group. Though this is a pity vote, Crosby, Stills, and Nash are a good band in their own right.

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