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Posted Mar 23, '12 at 4:21pm

master565

master565

3,869 posts

It's actually another fallacy macfan uses that i should add to the list i posted here.

19) "Appeal To Widespread Belief" fallacy - Thinking that because more people believe something, it is correct.

 

Posted Mar 23, '12 at 4:53pm

thebluerabbit

thebluerabbit

2,691 posts

    C'mon. This isn't fair. There isn't any Christians in the thread right now.

as much as i dislike putting you down, there is a reason for that. you can understand what that means by yourself. i never saw one single christian who was sure of what he sais and actually managed to raise his voice all alone... its kind of disapointing really

 

Posted Mar 23, '12 at 5:24pm

MageGrayWolf

MageGrayWolf

9,134 posts

19) "Appeal To Widespread Belief" fallacy - Thinking that because more people believe something, it is correct.

Wouldn't this be called appeal to majority? (argumentum ad populum)

 

Posted Mar 23, '12 at 5:29pm

master565

master565

3,869 posts

Wouldn't this be called appeal to majority?

There are a lot of names for it, the wiki page you linked mentioned the one i used.

 

Posted Mar 29, '12 at 3:36pm

BritHennerz

BritHennerz

364 posts

My faith has been flying all over the place all my life. It has not been until recently when I realised what is the point in following one faith/book?

Why should one book hold the answer to everything? People have backed up this with it's God/Allah or whoever's word but I am a firm believer in logic and reasoning so you could say I am an atheist.

But I have always been a firm believer in religion. Taking Holy Books liberally (taking the meanings of stories rather than taking them as if they happened) I believe that you should read all of the Holy Books and then decide for your self what you believe in.

You don't even need to read them, our morals are so intertwined with religious morals nowadays you can literally look in the Bible, Torah etc. and find the stories that teach these morals.

Fixing yourself to one religion is like fixing your self to one field of science and denouncing all others or only buying one series of video game.

Belief shouldn't stick to one type of faith; you can take morals from any religion and make your own choices.

Regarding my own beliefs about an afterlife, I hope for one but I think it is better to enjoy your life and do good and having a possible chance of getting into Heaven than dedicating your whole life to something that doesn't exist.

 

Posted Mar 29, '12 at 3:59pm

MageGrayWolf

MageGrayWolf

9,134 posts

Why should one book hold the answer to everything? People have backed up this with it's God/Allah or whoever's word but I am a firm believer in logic and reasoning so you could say I am an atheist.

Logic and reason can be a means that often leads a person to atheism given how illogical and unreasonable religion often is. However this in itself does not make you an atheist. Simple question do you believe god (any gods) exist? If no, then your an atheist. If you do then you're a theist.

But I have always been a firm believer in religion. Taking Holy Books liberally (taking the meanings of stories rather than taking them as if they happened) I believe that you should read all of the Holy Books and then decide for your self what you believe in.

As a theist I saw how each religion didn't have the right story. I still believed religion had truth to it. So I thought perhaps each one held a piece of the truth and it was just a matter of putting it together. The result is no better then any one religion.
Though I will agree learning about as much as you can, even religion, is good to do.

Also while I will agree that a person is entitled to their beliefs and opinions, they are not however entitled to their own truth.

You don't even need to read them, our morals are so intertwined with religious morals nowadays you can literally look in the Bible, Torah etc. and find the stories that teach these morals.

actually it's sort of the other way around. Religions took these concepts that were already present and required for societies to exists and incorporated them into themselves. Adding the requirements of mindless worship.

Belief shouldn't stick to one type of faith; you can take morals from any religion and make your own choices.

Belief shouldn't stick to any faith, that can just be gullibility. You don't need religion to get morals, as noted religion hijacked morality and even corrupts it as times.

 

Posted Mar 30, '12 at 1:47am

TheAtheist

TheAtheist

135 posts

Took up a lot of heat recently and stood my ground with these people. Still arguing as of right now. I want to share this link and to any Christians who might be reading the link I set up. This could be you further along down the line of your faith. Its ridiculous the answers these people gave. I thought that I'd like to share this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OF9pOdVPcDs

Arguments begin on comment page 12. Any input or advice on how I could've handled this better or what I did wrong would be appreciative.

 

Posted Apr 5, '12 at 6:32pm

macfan1

macfan1

436 posts

Have you heard of strong atheists becoming Christians? See?

 

Posted Apr 5, '12 at 6:34pm

314d1

314d1

3,509 posts

Have you heard of strong atheists becoming Christians? See?

Have you heard of strong Christians becoming atheists? Like....Half the people on this forum?

 

Posted Apr 5, '12 at 7:22pm

thebluerabbit

thebluerabbit

2,691 posts

Have you heard of strong atheists becoming Christians? See?

at first that comment made me giggle. then the article made me laugh XD

that guy didnt get closer to god. he got closer to the money that was given to him by church XD

honestly, if christianity is that desperate to convert people and pays them to do that its obvious that its getting weaker and weaker.

 
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