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Posted Mar 29, '11 at 11:56am

Highfire

Highfire

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You really can't accept both without running into contradiction, which means you are left with having to deny one of the above statements.

I just wait till it's proven for the most part, it's just that I'm obviously tilted towards the Scientific method :D

- H

 

Posted Mar 29, '11 at 12:32pm

HahiHa

HahiHa

4,226 posts

Can you tell me why I never felt that calling? During school we had to go at least four times a year to church, and at least twelve times in the year before confirmation. I never talked with an atheist about religion before confirmation, for me it was usual that one was part of a religion and went to services (whether one liked it or not), the priest and the vicar were friendly, and my parents left me choose my way concerning religion on my own. You could think I almost had to become a believer, yet I am by far not the only one of my school who is atheist, and the only feeling I had concerning visiting religion course and service was the sense of duty I also had for the rest of school. Why did I not feel any calling when I was unaware even of the concept of atheism? Why did I slowly realize I never truly believed? Because of free will? Then, why did you feel a calling, why has your free will been restricted?

 

Posted Mar 29, '11 at 12:48pm

thepyro222

thepyro222

1,922 posts

I made this kind of more for Christians, not for atheists to come and flame Jesus. I'm not going to argue with any of you because all I will get is arguments back or denial of the proof that I give you, this is a prime example of your closed- mindedness. all I'm going to say is that I am a Christian, I believe in Jesus, and I'm proud of it

 

Posted Mar 29, '11 at 12:52pm

Kasic

Kasic

5,160 posts

Okay, I have a few questions, they are not meant to be belligerant, deragatory, or anything else that might be taken as insulting.

One, why do you believe in the bible over any other religion? Fromy my point of view they all appear equally valid, what makes one more so than the other?

Two, do you actually hear voices, or is it all in feelings? Or do you not feel anything, but just trust that he is there?

Three, Why is/was Rock and Roll considered the Devil's music?

 

Posted Mar 29, '11 at 12:56pm

Avorne

Avorne

3,205 posts

I'm not going to argue with any of you because all I will get is arguments back or denial of the proof that I give you

Then you have the audacity to say:

prime example of your closed- mindedness

Can't you see that if your double standards were any larger then we'd have to have to declare them an independent nation?

You can't declare the enemy closed-minded while propagating your own closed-mindedness, you dolt, if you'd just admit that you were wrong then I'm sure we can all move on back to the debate at hand.

Oh, by the way, could you explain these contradictions in your holy book to me? I'd appreciate it.

 

Posted Mar 29, '11 at 12:58pm

jeol

jeol

3,341 posts

I made this kind of more for Christians, not for atheists to come and flame Jesus. I'm not going to argue with any of you because all I will get is arguments back or denial of the proof that I give you, this is a prime example of your closed- mindedness. all I'm going to say is that I am a Christian, I believe in Jesus, and I'm proud of it

Well, first off, I want to say that you should never be ashamed of your faith. It sounds like your off to a good start. Umm, what all are we supposed to say in this? John is a good starter book. Revelation is probably the last one you would want to read at this point, 'cause it's really complicated. Genesis and Exodus are good for the origins of the faith and such. Stuff like Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, Romans, and Ephesians are pretty heavy. So John is a good start, plus it's about Jesus and all, and you can read some of his teachings. Genesis and Exodus would probly be next, followed by stuff like Esther or those kinds of books. Some people like to read the entire Bible in a year, and encourage it. In fact, many of our founding fathers did so. If I think about it more I could probly give you a reading plan. Does that answer anything?

 

Posted Mar 29, '11 at 1:01pm

HahiHa

HahiHa

4,226 posts

I made this kind of more for Christians, not for atheists to come and flame Jesus. I'm not going to argue with any of you because all I will get is arguments back or denial of the proof that I give you, this is a prime example of your closed- mindedness. all I'm going to say is that I am a Christian, I believe in Jesus, and I'm proud of it

Dude... I'm technically officially protestant, nothing in my post was offensive, so now you will answer my question or it's your butt I will flame. I just want an honest statement out of you concerning what I wanted to know, and I promise I will not incommode you further.

 

Posted Mar 29, '11 at 1:01pm

thepyro222

thepyro222

1,922 posts

One, why do you believe in the bible over any other religion? Fromy my point of view they all appear equally valid, what makes one more so than the other?

Because, simply put, Christianity is the only religion that's true. It is historically proven, through other documents from that time, that Jesus did get crucified and rose from the tomb. Also, Christianity is the only religion that gives you true salvation

Two, do you actually hear voices, or is it all in feelings? Or do you not feel anything, but just trust that he is there?

All three have happened to me. It's not a literal voice, but I know that God is speaking to me, I've had thoughts pop in my head after praying, like an answer to my prayer, I have had feelings of the presence of Jesus Christ in a room, and sometimes, I don't feel God's answer, but I trust that he's heard. That's called faith.

Three, Why is/was Rock and Roll considered the Devil's music?

Because it hurts old peoples' ears. I love heavy metal, in fact it's the only thing I listen to. It's considered the "devil's music" basically because old people don't like it and it's a counterculture. There are plenty of Christian metal bands, like Demon Hunter and War of Ages. There are also Christians in secular metal bands. The lead singer of Slayer is Catholic, according to his interview in Heavy: the Story of Metal

 

Posted Mar 29, '11 at 1:03pm

thepyro222

thepyro222

1,922 posts

Can you tell me why I never felt that calling? During school we had to go at least four times a year to church, and at least twelve times in the year before confirmation. I never talked with an atheist about religion before confirmation, for me it was usual that one was part of a religion and went to services (whether one liked it or not), the priest and the vicar were friendly, and my parents left me choose my way concerning religion on my own. You could think I almost had to become a believer, yet I am by far not the only one of my school who is atheist, and the only feeling I had concerning visiting religion course and service was the sense of duty I also had for the rest of school. Why did I not feel any calling when I was unaware even of the concept of atheism? Why did I slowly realize I never truly believed? Because of free will? Then, why did you feel a calling, why has your free will been restricted?

This was not driected at you. But I don't know why, you should probably sit and talk with a pastor about this. I've only been saved for two years. My knowledge is limited.

 

Posted Mar 29, '11 at 1:09pm

Kasic

Kasic

5,160 posts

Because, simply put, Christianity is the only religion that's true

Okay, that makes sense, but how did you get to that point? How do you know that it's true over any other? All other religions also have backing in their own holy books, that say something took place. In fact, the Qu'ran or however you spell it flat out says that Muhhamad was told by god that Jesus was not in fact the son of god.

I've had thoughts pop in my head after praying, like an answer to my prayer,

That happens to me all of the time, even though i'm not praying. It's called intuition, the subconcious linking of pre-existing thoughts/memories to form a new conclusion instantly. To me what you're saying is you sit down, think about the problem, talk to your god, and during that, your mind links together what you already know. How do you know it's not that instead of God answering you?

Because it hurts old peoples' ears.

I don't think it's quite that. There was a whole lot of resistance from the church towards Rock and Roll when it first appeared, public condemnations, threats toward rockers from Christians...I think something more had to be going on there.

 
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