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Posted Mar 29, '11 at 1:09pm

Kasic

Kasic

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Because, simply put, Christianity is the only religion that's true

Okay, that makes sense, but how did you get to that point? How do you know that it's true over any other? All other religions also have backing in their own holy books, that say something took place. In fact, the Qu'ran or however you spell it flat out says that Muhhamad was told by god that Jesus was not in fact the son of god.

I've had thoughts pop in my head after praying, like an answer to my prayer,

That happens to me all of the time, even though i'm not praying. It's called intuition, the subconcious linking of pre-existing thoughts/memories to form a new conclusion instantly. To me what you're saying is you sit down, think about the problem, talk to your god, and during that, your mind links together what you already know. How do you know it's not that instead of God answering you?

Because it hurts old peoples' ears.

I don't think it's quite that. There was a whole lot of resistance from the church towards Rock and Roll when it first appeared, public condemnations, threats toward rockers from Christians...I think something more had to be going on there.

 

Posted Mar 29, '11 at 1:12pm

jeol

jeol

3,565 posts

Oh, and about 'them' (those people), you can just ignore them :)

Three, Why is/was Rock and Roll considered the Devil's music?

Depends what kind. The stuff that doesn't honor God definitely is, and there are a bunch of rock bands out there like that.

you d***

Ouch. Try to keep your calm, Avorne.

Oh, by the way, could you explain these contradictions in your holy book to me? I'd appreciate it.

That makes me laugh really hard, 'cause clearly you think that many of those are actually a problem. Sorry for sounding so laid back, but that what it seems like. A lot of those are really easy questions for people like me, and I know that they're intended to 'catch' Christians in the trap of contradictions, but many of those I can answer but they would probably take up the entire page. For example, number 18, I knew and it already listed decent responses and explanations below. Especially this one. Mentioning the hanging, I once heard of a lateral thinking puzzle that mentioned some French guy hanging himself, drinking poison, and shooting himself. He ended up shooting the rope, whence he tumbled down into the ocean (he hung himself over a cliff) which made him vomit out the poison.

 

Posted Mar 29, '11 at 1:15pm

thepyro222

thepyro222

1,986 posts

I think you're thinking too much about everything. I believe the Qu'ran was written by the prophet Muhammad himself, so it's easy to say that God told him things. I have not heard any proof of him doing any miracles or fulfilling any prophecies from the Old Testament. As far as the intuition, I don't get "memories"... I get real answers. I believe that my God talks to me, and if it is intuition, then it's still what God would say.

 

Posted Mar 29, '11 at 1:16pm

Avorne

Avorne

3,224 posts

Alright then - what about your holy book requiring that homosexuals, people who disobeyed their parents and those that worked on the sabbath be stoned to death?

 

Posted Mar 29, '11 at 1:17pm

Highfire

Highfire

2,936 posts

I made this kind of more for Christians, not for atheists to come and flame Jesus. I'm not going to argue with any of you because all I will get is arguments back or denial of the proof that I give you, this is a prime example of your closed- mindedness. all I'm going to say is that I am a Christian, I believe in Jesus, and I'm proud of it

Are you a troll? Seriously.
You are honestly NOT worth my time to argue with, if you want a proper argument, go to Atheism FTW.

Two, do you actually hear voices, or is it all in feelings? Or do you not feel anything, but just trust that he is there?

He's mentally ill, in my opinion.

Dude... I'm technically officially protestant, nothing in my post was offensive, so now you will answer my question or it's your butt I will flame. I just want an honest statement out of you concerning what I wanted to know, and I promise I will not incommode you further.

Don't flame, it will feed the troll.
I would've but, well yeah. Woulda fed the troll.

And right now I can only assume he is a troll because of his "logic". He hasn't been saved for 2 years, and abortion would have saved him, and even they're not morally correct imo.

Because, simply put, Christianity is the only religion that's true. It is historically proven, through other documents from that time, that Jesus did get crucified and rose from the tomb. Also, Christianity is the only religion that gives you true salvation

1. Explain
2. No it isn't
3. Looking at you, salvation appears near-impossible

That's called faith.

You heard of logic? Woop-dee freakin' doo, you believe in Christ, want a medal? No, you don't deserve one, you are lazy. You don't use logic, you put all your responsibility on a so-called "God", whom, I might add, is a prick in the stories, and last to say, you are close-minded. Oorah. That's faith.

This was not driected at you. But I don't know why, you should probably sit and talk with a pastor about this. I've only been saved for two years. My knowledge is limited.

Oh-- and shall we talk to him with an open-mind? I've discussed with my History teacher about Religion, me being non-religious and he being religious. It was a philosophical debate and whilst we didn't boil down to a solid conclucsion, we learnt more from eachother - and I'm talking about a religious person here. I done so with an open-mind, but everything he said I had an answer to, something you obviously didn't and something you obviously didn't seek. You were never an Atheist, and you have never had an open-mind.

- H

 

Posted Mar 29, '11 at 1:22pm

Highfire

Highfire

2,936 posts

  I believe that my God talks to me, and if it is intuition, then it's still what God would say.

Qu'ran was written by the prophet Muhammad himself, so it's easy to say that God told him things.

Look at yourself. Boo! Hypocricy.

I have not heard any proof of him doing any miracles or fulfilling any prophecies from the Old Testament.

I have not heard any proof of Jesus doing any miracles or fulfilling any prophecies from anything historically or scientifically related. Give a source, or stfu and sit down.

As far as the intuition, I don't get "memories"... I get real answers.

This is easily contradicted by your next statement...

I believe that my God talks to me, and if it is intuition, then it's still what God would say.

Nice dude, great contradiction, so apparently your intuition is the collection of knowledge being shown to you through many forms and that is God? Sounds like imagination.

God is your imagination, as far as I'm concerned.

- H

 

Posted Mar 29, '11 at 1:26pm

jeol

jeol

3,565 posts

I think you're thinking too much about everything.

FYI, they won't stop. It might be best to ignore them. Unless you really want to. but realize, it's you (and maybe me) against the two thousand of them (give or take a little). Not many Christians are on here - at least argue on here - anymore. And try not to insult them - they take it very seriously.

 

Posted Mar 29, '11 at 1:31pm

Kasic

Kasic

5,572 posts

I think you're thinking too much about everything. I believe the Qu'ran was written by the prophet Muhammad himself, so it's easy to say that God told him things.

So if god did talk to him, and told Muhammad that Jesus was not the son of god, wouldn't that pretty much be the opposite of the entire New Testament?

As far as the intuition, I don't get "memories"... I get real answers. I believe that my God talks to me, and if it is intuition, then it's still what God would say.

For intuition, you don't remember the memories, or make new ones for an answer, you subconciously link what you know to find an answer.

In my mind, the only way religion is reconciliable with what we know, is if the holy writings and teachings are flawed, which is entirely possible due to many factors, and just say god works through how the world works, and we have no idea what his goals are or why he allows things to happen. The only way, in my mind, that he could be considered a "loving god" is if when everyone died, he took their soul, if that is to be believed, and teaches everyone who dies everything, and then gives them eternal peace. Currently, there are just so many holes in all religions that the only possible answer is that they are not right, although each may have a few parts right - if there is a god at all.

 

Posted Mar 29, '11 at 1:59pm

keeton52

keeton52

935 posts

Threads like this is why I come here at all.  Great entertainment value.

 

Posted Mar 29, '11 at 2:14pm

MageGrayWolf

MageGrayWolf

9,676 posts

Knight

Three, Why is/was Rock and Roll considered the Devil's music?

Scapegoating, Same reason people claim playing violent video games will make kids go on a killing spree.

Because, simply put, Christianity is the only religion that's true. It is historically proven, through other documents from that time, that Jesus did get crucified and rose from the tomb.

What documents? As far as I'm aware there are not contemporary documents of any of that. There are extra Biblical documents mentioning Jesus, but the more telling of them are likely forgeries or simply restating what early Christians were saying. Non of them address Jesus rising from the tomb and even biblically speaking the actual event of his rising was second hand information at best.

The practices of Rome at the time also puts into question Jesus even having a tomb, as Romans typically denied burial to those who were crucified. It was this nonburial that made crucifixion such a supreme penalty. Though while unlikely there were documented cases of exceptions. These were from the approach of a Roman holiday (Jewish festival might not apply) or the request from a Roman governor. In either way this is unlikely for Jesus's case.

 
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