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Posted Dec 8, '12 at 12:28pm

Blairlarson

Blairlarson

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Kasic if you did not believe in those to churches you went to then go to a different church. One that maybe you will understand and they don't tell you that you are wicked the church I go to does not do that.

 

Posted Dec 8, '12 at 12:28pm

Kasic

Kasic

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Because Jesus died we can live agin.


1) Jesus dying is a "requirement" only because God made it so. A truly loving, all powerful God could have saved us without sacrificing his own son.

2) Provide proof that we "live again" please. As far as I can tell, I've never been dead and people don't live again after they die.

Jesus was tortured but that was not a very long period of time.


I know how long Jesus was on the cross, but do you? Please answer, without using Google. I'd like to see if your repeated advisories for me to read the Bible are followed.

Because Jesus did that we wont be tortured for all entirety.


Again, Jesus being sacrificed was 100% unnecessary.
 

Posted Dec 8, '12 at 12:35pm

Blairlarson

Blairlarson

93 posts

It was nine hours that is what Mark 15:24-37 says.

 

Posted Dec 8, '12 at 12:37pm

Kasic

Kasic

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Kasic if you did not believe in those to churches you went to then go to a different church.


I've got to laugh here.

First of all, both of what I mentioned were Christian churches. They each taught that God and Jesus were real, that Jesus died on the cross and took mankind's sins upon himself, was entombed and rose from the dead on the third day and later ascended to heaven.

I don't go to church because I don't need to be told what to believe, sorry. I can think for myself.

One that maybe you will understand and they don't tell you that you are wicked the church I go to does not do that.


Oh? So your church doesn't tell you mankind are all inherently sinners and that without God's grace we would go to hell? (or at least, not go to heaven)

It was nine hours that is what Mark 15:24-37 says


Yes, it was 6-9 hours depending on which gospel.

You don't think 9 hours on a cross with nails through you and your weight on them after beatings beforehand is "not a very long period of time?"
 

Posted Dec 8, '12 at 12:41pm

Blairlarson

Blairlarson

93 posts

You don't think all entirety of torture is bad.
Yes 9 hours of torture is bad but compared to all entirety its not even close

 

Posted Dec 8, '12 at 12:49pm

Kasic

Kasic

5,746 posts

You don't think all entirety of torture is bad.
Yes 9 hours of torture is bad but compared to all entirety its not even close


Right, I'm getting tired of this evasion.

Going to just restate all the things you've ignored up to this point, please respond to them.

1) "There are no reliable historical records that definitively prove [Jesus] existed."

2) "Why do you attribute a sense of accomplishment, satisfaction, or just general well being to some unseen cause?"

3) "Why did anyone need to die at all, perfect or not? An all powerful God could have literally achieved what he wanted in an infinite number of non-bloody ways."

4) "How, in any way, is torturing your own son to death a loving act?"

5) "Provide proof that we 'live again' please. As far as I can tell, I've never been dead and people don't live again after they die."

Since you don't seem to be hearing me, let me say it again. Jesus's suffering on the cross was completely unnecessary.
 

Posted Dec 8, '12 at 12:58pm

Blairlarson

Blairlarson

93 posts

"As far as I can tell, I've never been dead and people don't live again after they die."

You can't see the person live agin because it is their spirt not their body

I will agree about one thing there could of been other ways to make or sins forgiven.

You seem not to be listing to me.

God loved the so much that he gave his only son.

One person had to die for all of are sins to be forgiven and it was not when he was on the cross when are sins where forgiven it was in the garden of gethsemane.

 

Posted Dec 8, '12 at 1:09pm

HahiHa

HahiHa

5,451 posts

Knight

I will agree about one thing there could of been other ways to make or sins forgiven.

One person had to die for all of are sins to be forgiven

Trying to defend your belief with arguments is already hard (as belief is nothing mroe than belief), but if you do, please try to be consistent at least. Why did anyone have to die just to prove a god's love? And why can so many people in modern times apparently experience gods love without killing their sons or whatever?
 

Posted Dec 8, '12 at 1:16pm

Kasic

Kasic

5,746 posts

You can't see the person live agin because it is their spirt not their body


Then how do you know there is a spirit or afterlife? What proof for those claims do you have?

God loved the so much that he gave his only son.


Except, he didn't need to. He could have done something better, which caused no suffering. He could have just shown the light to everyone.

Actually, what we're arguing about right now is basically how God fixed a hole in the boat. Thing is though, God made that boat with the hole in it.

If someone pushes you off a cliff and rescues your broken body, does that make them a savior? No. So why does God play that role?

He created us as we are, as sinners. By definition of omnipotent, he MUST have known that we would sin. Thus he intentionally made us fall by providing the random tree (really, what reason did God have to make that tree?). Then he "rescues" us by having us mindlessly worship him. I don't know about you, but even if such a figure exists (which we have no proof for) I think God is a horrible being and I wouldn't want to follow him anyways if he's how the Bible portrays him.

Not even going into how it's impossible for two humans to breed an entire race anyways, we'd be so inbred that we would die off in a few generations. The whole idea is flawed from the start at every turn...

I forgot to include this in the list of questions too.

"Oh? So your church doesn't tell you mankind are all inherently sinners and that without God's grace we would go to hell? (or at least, not go to heaven)"
 

Posted Dec 8, '12 at 1:25pm

Blairlarson

Blairlarson

93 posts

This life is a test that a lot of people are failing we came here because god wanted to see if we would keep the commandments or not.

In haven we agreed to come down to earth for a physical body. So thats why we sin because we forgot everything when we came to earth. Amen Brothers Amen.

 
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