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Posted Dec 8, '12 at 1:36pm

Kasic

Kasic

5,746 posts

This life is a test that a lot of people are failing we came here because god wanted to see if we would keep the commandments or not.


In other words, God is playing a random and pointless games with souls he creates and tortures them for all eternity if they fail. Soooo loving, am I right?

In haven we agreed to come down to earth for a physical body.


I don't remember that. By the way, exactly what denomination do you follow...?

How do you know this anyways?

So thats why we sin because we forgot everything when we came to earth.


Do you really not see how ridiculous the things you're saying are?
 

Posted Dec 8, '12 at 2:04pm

Blairlarson

Blairlarson

93 posts

I learned this stuff at church you should try going to church and learn all the things I am stuff.

 

Posted Dec 8, '12 at 2:21pm

Bladerunner679

Bladerunner679

2,534 posts

I learned this stuff at church you should try going to church and learn all the things I am stuff.


most of the atheists on here (including me) are former churchgoers. that claim won't get you anywhere.

-Blade
 

Posted Dec 8, '12 at 2:27pm

Kasic

Kasic

5,746 posts

I learned this stuff at church you should try going to church and learn all the things I am stuff.


Thank you for telling me this for the 5th time.

Let me remind, for the 4th time, that I have gone to church before. I have never heard anything about us already being in Heaven and being sent down to Earth. Everything else you've said I've responded to and you've ignored those responses or just regurgitated baseless teachings.

I shall again ask, what denomination are you?
 

Posted Dec 8, '12 at 2:40pm

Kasic

Kasic

5,746 posts

I shall again ask, what denomination are you?


Nevermind, I remembered that on your first post you stated you were a Mormon.

Which leads me to another question. How do you know that being a Mormon is right, instead of another branch of Christianity? Or Islam or Judaism? Or something that isn't even an Abrahamic religion?
 

Posted Dec 8, '12 at 3:44pm

EmperorPalpatine

EmperorPalpatine

9,475 posts

because god wanted to see if we would keep the commandments or not.

Why are the commandments the only rules Christians keep from the OT? Why not the hundreds of other nonsensical laws?

In haven we agreed to come down to earth for a physical body.

Do you have any evidence or scripture to back this claim?

So thats why we sin because we forgot everything when we came to earth.

If everyone sins and everyone forgot everything, how would you know about it?
 

Posted Dec 8, '12 at 3:46pm

EmperorPalpatine

EmperorPalpatine

9,475 posts

Also on the commandments, the 'no work on the sabbath' law. Would you still stone a person for working on Sunday?

 

Posted Dec 8, '12 at 7:10pm

killersup10

killersup10

2,771 posts

This life is a test that a lot of people are failing we came here because god wanted to see if we would keep the commandments or not.



Your God is "omnipotent" So he already knew how everybody would do when they came back to earth. He also created them that way, just so he could punish them.
 

Posted Dec 8, '12 at 8:34pm

MageGrayWolf

MageGrayWolf

9,804 posts

Knight

I think the point was that God was proving he loved us by sacrificing his son.


It wasn't really a sacrifice, it was just needless torture. A few days later in the story Jesus comes back. (Side note: the first of the four Gospels which the others followed and expanded on didn't include the resurrection. It originally ended with Jesus dead the cross.) If we include this resurrection and flying off into the sky through the cosmos to another some place outside of space called Heaven. God got hi son back and Jesus got eternity in paradise.

You don't think all entirety of torture is bad.
Yes 9 hours of torture is bad but compared to all entirety its not even close


Yes eternity of torture is bad as well. But that doesn't make a finite by proxy torture any better or any more needed. Since you seem too be either ignoring or not getting it let me try to make this as clear as possible. GOD DOESN'T HAVE TOO TORTURE ANYONE.


I will agree about one thing there could of been other ways to make or sins forgiven.


Since God could have forgiven without torture that makes the torture of no needless.

One person had to die for all of are sins to be forgiven and it was not when he was on the cross when are sins where forgiven it was in the garden of gethsemane.


No, no one had to die. That' the point being made. Am omnipotent God doesn't need to use brutal methods such as torture and death to forgive someone.
If God does require such things that makes him worse than humans who can and do forgive with torturing and killing others.

This life is a test that a lot of people are failing we came here because god wanted to see if we would keep the commandments or not.


A test is a method for the tester (God in this case) to learn how far along the individuals they are instructing have come in a course. God being omniscient would already know the outcome and thus have no need to conduct tests. And this is just the start to the problems of life being a test.
Is Life a Test?

[quote]In haven we agreed to come down to earth for a physical body.


Do you have any evidence or scripture to back this claim?[/quote]

This is stemming from the Mormon belief system. Where in the Book of Mormon they get this I don't know, but here is a link so you can double check the answer.
Book of Mormon
 

Posted Dec 8, '12 at 11:37pm

partydevil

partydevil

5,274 posts

Nevermind, I remembered that on your first post you stated you were a Mormon.


thx for stating that again.
i was busy whit a post but this changes it all.
mormon defiantly is 1 of the most idiotic believe of the last 200 year or so.
 
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