Forums

ForumsWorld Events, Politics, Religion, Etc.

Theism and Atheism

Posted Dec 9, '12 at 12:12am

MageGrayWolf

MageGrayWolf

9,805 posts

Knight

mormon defiantly is 1 of the most idiotic believe of the last 200 year or so.


Joseph Smith, a known conman who was possibly a pathological lair and began to believe his own lie. He may have also had a genetically handed down mental illness given (I think it was?) his grandmother who claimed to hear spirits talking to her and later, even before forming the Mormon church Joseph also claimed to start hearing these voices. Now for the time he lived in this would have bee considered legitimate. So it's also possible he just tricked himself into thinking this (especially if the pathological lair part is true) rather then another cause for the hallucination.
 

Posted Dec 22, '12 at 5:32pm

killersup10

killersup10

2,781 posts

Christianity rocks


Really, Killersup thought that it killed.



Please have some kind of support...
 

Posted Dec 23, '12 at 4:19am

nichodemus

nichodemus

13,582 posts

Knight

Christianity rocks

Really, Killersup thought that it killed.

Please have some kind of support...


It makes sense on a literal level. Stoning and all.
 

Posted Jan 5, '13 at 8:26pm

BigP08

BigP08

1,469 posts

I have some food for thought questions for theists if anybody's interested.
1. If you accept belief in X god from X religion, but not gods Y or Z from religions Y or Z, what standard of proof/evidence/reason does your religion meet that these other religions do not? In other words, why do you accept the existence of your god but not the gods of other religions.
2. If you believe based on faith without evidence, what reason do you have to accept any proposition as true without evidence?
3. If you believe based on evidence or proof, can that evidence or proof be demonstrated so that those of us who do not believe do not have to take it on faith?
4. If you are a gnostic theist or claim to know that there's a god, what evidence leads to this assertion? If not evidence, then what?
Just thought I'd try to spark up the discussion again.

 

Posted Jan 5, '13 at 8:45pm

xxBoogeymaNxx

xxBoogeymaNxx

85 posts

Wasn't Jesus Jewish, if I'm correct?? So if Jesus is Jewish and Christians revere him as a messiah, why aren't the Christians Jewish?? Isn't it some kind of blasphemy or heresy to worship a deity of a religion that's different from the religion you believe in (e.g. Christian worshipping a Jewish person/Messiah). Just thought I'd bring that up

 

Posted Jan 5, '13 at 9:07pm

EmperorPalpatine

EmperorPalpatine

9,475 posts

So if Jesus is Jewish and Christians revere him as a messiah, why aren't the Christians Jewish??

Jesus was Jewish, but preached a very radical extention/reformation of it (at least it was considered extreme at the time). Christians follow (or at least claim to follow) those teachings.

Isn't it some kind of blasphemy or heresy to worship a deity of a religion that's different from the religion you believe in

Jews, Christians, and Muslims all believe in the same Abrahamic God. Certain aspects (what texts are holy, the personality of that God, what He's done, His laws, His plans, etc) are disputed.

(e.g. Christian worshipping a Jewish person/Messiah).

Jesus isn't worshipped, but his teachings are considered to be the result of divinity. Now, if someone is trinitarian, they're counting Jesus as an extention/form of God, thus still worshipping God, not a man.
 

Posted Jan 5, '13 at 9:52pm

xxBoogeymaNxx

xxBoogeymaNxx

85 posts

Curse you Emp for having good counter points :P

 

Posted Jan 5, '13 at 10:40pm

EmperorPalpatine

EmperorPalpatine

9,475 posts

Curse you Emp for having good counter points :P

Being a heavily indoctrinated Christian for years, then objectifying it will do that.
 

Posted Jan 5, '13 at 10:49pm

xxBoogeymaNxx

xxBoogeymaNxx

85 posts

Yeah, and I don't think I really got my point across. What I meant (I think) is why Christianity and Judaism is considered so different, when Christianity is sort of just a branch of Judaism. As for the second part about blasphemy and heresy, I didn't really think that part through very well xD

 

Posted Jan 6, '13 at 12:23am

EmperorPalpatine

EmperorPalpatine

9,475 posts

What I meant (I think) is why Christianity and Judaism is considered so different, when Christianity is sort of just a branch of Judaism.

Although they share roots, they are quite different. As I mentioned, "Certain aspects (what texts are holy, the personality of that God, what He's done, His laws, His plans, etc) are disputed." For example, some Jews (depending on their strictness) believe they are required to follow most or all of the Mosaic laws. Christians (although some claim otherwise) are not scriptually required to follow those laws, other than the ones repeated in the New Testament, which often includes the Ten Commandments and a few others. Issues arise when people pick-and-choose which laws to follow without scriptural justification, such as someone saying "On [the Sabbath] you shall not do any work" doesn't apply to them.
 
Reply to Theism and Atheism

You must be logged in to post a reply!