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Posted Dec 8, '12 at 7:10pm

killersup10

killersup10

1,789 posts

This life is a test that a lot of people are failing we came here because god wanted to see if we would keep the commandments or not.

Your God is "omnipotent" So he already knew how everybody would do when they came back to earth. He also created them that way, just so he could punish them.

 

Posted Dec 8, '12 at 8:34pm

MageGrayWolf

MageGrayWolf

9,691 posts

Knight

I think the point was that God was proving he loved us by sacrificing his son.

It wasn't really a sacrifice, it was just needless torture. A few days later in the story Jesus comes back. (Side note: the first of the four Gospels which the others followed and expanded on didn't include the resurrection. It originally ended with Jesus dead the cross.) If we include this resurrection and flying off into the sky through the cosmos to another some place outside of space called Heaven. God got hi son back and Jesus got eternity in paradise.

You don't think all entirety of torture is bad.
Yes 9 hours of torture is bad but compared to all entirety its not even close

Yes eternity of torture is bad as well. But that doesn't make a finite by proxy torture any better or any more needed. Since you seem too be either ignoring or not getting it let me try to make this as clear as possible. GOD DOESN'T HAVE TOO TORTURE ANYONE.

I will agree about one thing there could of been other ways to make or sins forgiven.

Since God could have forgiven without torture that makes the torture of no needless.

One person had to die for all of are sins to be forgiven and it was not when he was on the cross when are sins where forgiven it was in the garden of gethsemane.

No, no one had to die. That' the point being made. Am omnipotent God doesn't need to use brutal methods such as torture and death to forgive someone.
If God does require such things that makes him worse than humans who can and do forgive with torturing and killing others.

This life is a test that a lot of people are failing we came here because god wanted to see if we would keep the commandments or not.

A test is a method for the tester (God in this case) to learn how far along the individuals they are instructing have come in a course. God being omniscient would already know the outcome and thus have no need to conduct tests. And this is just the start to the problems of life being a test.
Is Life a Test?

In haven we agreed to come down to earth for a physical body.

Do you have any evidence or scripture to back this claim?

This is stemming from the Mormon belief system. Where in the Book of Mormon they get this I don't know, but here is a link so you can double check the answer.
Book of Mormon

 

Posted Dec 8, '12 at 11:37pm

partydevil

partydevil

5,109 posts

Nevermind, I remembered that on your first post you stated you were a Mormon.

thx for stating that again.
i was busy whit  a post but this changes it all.
mormon defiantly is 1 of the most idiotic believe of the last 200 year or so.

 

Posted Dec 9, '12 at 12:12am

MageGrayWolf

MageGrayWolf

9,691 posts

Knight

mormon defiantly is 1 of the most idiotic believe of the last 200 year or so.

Joseph Smith, a known conman who was possibly a pathological lair and began to believe his own lie. He may have also had a genetically handed down mental illness given (I think it was?) his grandmother who claimed to hear spirits talking  to her and later, even before forming the Mormon church Joseph also claimed to start hearing these voices. Now for the time he lived in this would have bee considered legitimate. So it's also possible he just tricked himself into thinking this (especially if the pathological lair part is true) rather then another cause for the hallucination.

 

Posted Dec 22, '12 at 5:32pm

killersup10

killersup10

1,789 posts

Christianity rocks

Really, Killersup thought that it killed.

Please have some kind of support...

 

Posted Dec 23, '12 at 4:19am

nichodemus

nichodemus

12,166 posts

Knight

Christianity rocks

Really, Killersup thought that it killed.

Please have some kind of support...

It makes sense on a literal level. Stoning and all.

 

Posted Jan 5, '13 at 8:26pm

BigP08

BigP08

1,431 posts

I have some food for thought questions for theists if anybody's interested.
1. If you accept belief in X god from X religion, but not gods Y or Z from religions Y or Z, what standard of proof/evidence/reason does your religion meet that these other religions do not? In other words, why do you accept the existence of your god but not the gods of other religions.
2. If you believe based on faith without evidence, what reason do you have to accept any proposition as true without evidence?
3. If you believe based on evidence or proof, can that evidence or proof be demonstrated so that those of us who do not believe do not have to take it on faith?
4. If you are a gnostic theist or claim to know that there's a god, what evidence leads to this assertion? If not evidence, then what?
Just thought I'd try to spark up the discussion again. ;)

 

Posted Jan 5, '13 at 8:45pm

xxBoogeymaNxx

xxBoogeymaNxx

85 posts

Wasn't Jesus Jewish, if I'm correct?? So if Jesus is Jewish and Christians revere him as a messiah, why aren't the Christians Jewish?? Isn't it some kind of blasphemy or heresy to worship a deity of a religion that's different from the religion you believe in (e.g. Christian worshipping a Jewish person/Messiah). Just thought I'd bring that up

 

Posted Jan 5, '13 at 9:07pm

EmperorPalpatine

EmperorPalpatine

5,011 posts

So if Jesus is Jewish and Christians revere him as a messiah, why aren't the Christians Jewish??

Jesus was Jewish, but preached a very radical extention/reformation of it (at least it was considered extreme at the time). Christians follow (or at least claim to follow) those teachings.

Isn't it some kind of blasphemy or heresy to worship a deity of a religion that's different from the religion you believe in

Jews, Christians, and Muslims all believe in the same Abrahamic God. Certain aspects (what texts are holy, the personality of that God, what He's done, His laws, His plans, etc) are disputed.

(e.g. Christian worshipping a Jewish person/Messiah).

Jesus isn't worshipped, but his teachings are considered to be the result of divinity. Now, if someone is trinitarian, they're counting Jesus as an extention/form of God, thus still worshipping God, not a man.

 

Posted Jan 5, '13 at 9:52pm

xxBoogeymaNxx

xxBoogeymaNxx

85 posts

Curse you Emp for having good counter points :P

 
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