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Posted Jan 31, '14 at 2:57pm

KnightDeclan

KnightDeclan

487 posts

XD I agree that i shouldn't believe everything on the news, but i dont. I dont believe in all the bs stories about kids with guns

 

Posted Jan 31, '14 at 3:13pm

HahiHa

HahiHa

5,514 posts

Knight

Stupid links never work.

Links only work as well as you make them work. For future reference: link/text. You missed that last part.

So we've got a boy defying all laws of physics, and it isn't in the big news? Why is that?

On the side of police evidence, we've got a photograph and a tape with someone saying 'hey'. When looking at the photograph, it seems to me the human shape is only induced by the reflection of the tree foliages (phenomenon claled Pareidolia) on the window. I don't need to explain why a tape with a voice saying 'hey' isn't really... solid evidence.

There are apparently only few 'witnesses', the woman's mother and a nurse 'witnessed' the levitating, and another person said to have seen strange things (not detailed in the article) in their house. Let's also keep in mind psychiatrists "determined that she had induced her children into delusional behaviour".

It does sound funky.. like most ghost stories. But there's nothing excluding some banal reason behind all that, you never know the woman's motivations...
 

Posted Jan 31, '14 at 3:14pm

HahiHa

HahiHa

5,514 posts

Knight

For future reference: link/text. You missed that last part.

Scratch that. Apparently AG also recognizes links that aren't links.. point being, you didn't finish the command.
 

Posted Jan 31, '14 at 5:04pm

FishPreferred

FishPreferred

1,992 posts

Even an atheist cant ignore this.


Who can ignore a good joke?
 

Posted Jan 31, '14 at 6:05pm

MageGrayWolf

MageGrayWolf

9,805 posts

Knight

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/2014/01/28/10/15/possessed-boy-walked-backwards-up-a-wall

You're forgetting to add the title and close the link.

As for debunking.
First off the ghost in the window of the house in the article matches that of what can be found in a ghost app you can get for Andriod phones. This would already put any further claims into question as a likely hoax.
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/debunked-latoya-ammons-demon-house-photo.3016/

But in case it's not we got it covered.
https://static.squarespace.com/static/51b3dc8ee4b051b96ceb10de/51ce6099e4b0d911b4489b79/51ce6201e4b0d911b44a8e6e/1351291295757/1000w/ghostbusters-header.jpeg

 

Posted Feb 2, '14 at 4:05pm

Kasic

Kasic

5,746 posts

I found this article interesting.

Half of Americans Say God Plays A Role In Who Wins the Super Bowl

Honestly, these numbers surprise me so much that I'm questioning the methodology of the survey, as well as how they phrased their questions. If these numbers are truly accurate then I've been underestimating the sheer depth religion plays a role in people's lives of casual believers.

I would have expected less than ten percent at most. Attributing one's god to a SPORTS GAME OUTCOME is ridiculous, even if you believe in that god. To me, this speaks of a far greater delusion imparted by religion on how the religious view the world than I've previously concluded. If they're attributing supernatural causes, believing that their prayers seriously affect events such as this, and are adamant in these beliefs, just what else are they believing prayer is going to change? I always thought that, for the casual believer, prayer was something they did, but didn't rely on it or expect it to change much.

Of course, I still have strong suspicions the survey was poorly conducted. This seems far too high a number.

 

Posted Feb 2, '14 at 4:16pm

pangtongshu

pangtongshu

10,002 posts

Half of Americans Say God Plays A Role In Who Wins the Super Bowl


Yeah there definitely seems to be some odd way in which the survey was either asked, or is being analyzed...

That percentage includes Americans who pray for God to help their team (26 percent), think their team has been cursed (25 percent) or more generally believe God is involved in determining who wins on the court or in the field (19 percent)

So in reality, about 19% think God is a factor. The other two shouldn't be clumped with it in the data.
1) Praying to your god about helping your team is, of course, different than believing it played a factor
2) thinking your team is cursed doesn't at all mean god has a role. People believe the Cubs (baseball) are cursed..but this is from a goat and his owner, not a deity.
 

Posted Feb 2, '14 at 4:32pm

HahiHa

HahiHa

5,514 posts

Knight

Attributing one's god to a SPORTS GAME OUTCOME is ridiculous, even if you believe in that god.

You have obviously never watched football. You frequently see players pray before the match to invoke god's blessing, and winners thank god by some gesture. And I'm sure football is by far not the only sport where people are so superstitious, as this survey about the Super Bowl seems to indicate. Personally, I'm not surprised.

Even the Eagles, in their song Frail Grasp On The Big Picture (album Long Road Out Of Eden) criticise this in the lines "And we pray to our Lord - Who we know is American - He reigns from on high - He speaks to us through many men - And he shepherds his flock - We sing out and we praise His name - He supports us in war - He presides over football games - And the right will prevail - All our troubles shall be resolved - We have faith above all - Unless there's money or sex involved"
 

Posted Feb 3, '14 at 12:19pm

FishPreferred

FishPreferred

1,992 posts

I'd like to know why theists and atheists have such difficulty agreeing upon what qualifies as evidence. Why are religious texts, which are biased by necessity, being presented as self-sufficient proof?

 

Posted Feb 3, '14 at 12:48pm

09philj

09philj

2,417 posts

In any religion where god is omnipotent, your understanding of the nature god is flawed, due to omnipotence paradoxes. ( "Can God create a stone so heavy that He cannot lift it?") If your understanding of nature is flawed, your understanding of God's purpose is probably also flawed, meaning any argument you make in favor of worshiping him due to his purpose or nature being good is baseless.

 
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