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thepyro222
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I grew up atheist for 16 years. I had always kept an open mind towards religion, but never really felt a need to believe in it. My sister started going to a Wednesday night children's program at a church. Eventually, I was dragged into a Christmas Eve service. Scoffing, I reluctantly went, assuming that this was going to be a load of crap, but when I went, I felt something. Something that I've never felt before. I felt a sense of empowerment and a sense of calling. Jesus called upon my soul, just like he did with his disciples. he wanted me to follow him. Now, my life is being lived for Christ. He died on the cross for my sins, and the sins of everyone who believes in him. He was beaten, brutalized, struck with a whip 39 times, made to carry a cross up to the stage of his death. This I believe to be true, and I can never repay him for what he has done.
I still have my struggles with Christianity, but I've found this bit of information most useful. Religion is not comprehensible in the human mind, because we cannot comprehend the idea of a perfect and supreme being, a God, but we can believe it in our heart, and that's the idea of faith. Faith is, even though everything rides against me believing in Jesus, I still believe in him because I know that it's true in my heart. I invite my fellow Brothers and sisters of the LORD to talk about how Jesus has helped you in your life. No atheists and no insults please

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thepyro222
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I really don't cause all you want to do is troll

MageGrayWolf
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-- John 3:16


I still don't see how human sacrifice equates to salvation or even why it would be needed from a being like a God.
thepyro222
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I still don't see how human sacrifice equates to salvation or even why it would be needed from a being like a God

Because he lived a sinless life
MageGrayWolf
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Because he lived a sinless life


Why does that make a difference and I hope that troll comment wasn't directed at me.
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I love how every time, I want to have a nice discussion with my fellow believers, it turns into a huge flaming and trolling session. I have respected your atheist thread, now please do the same for mine. There is no reason for you all to comment other than to pick a fight.


That's not true, atheist endure the same "abuse" as you do. But most of it do not mind having a civil logical conversation to test our beliefs and strengthen our understanding of ourselves and the world we perceive is around us.

Also people usually comment on something they believe is untrue, if everyone just agreed with each other we would not get anywhere intellectually. If you don't like to argue then it's better to not talk to anyone since each individual has their own personal opinion.
If someone thinks something I think or do is wrong I welcome them to talk about it in a civil and logical manner.
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[quote]Because he lived a sinless life

Assuming that somehow by some logic means that a human/god sacrifice will bring salvation, that still does not explain why it was necessary. If your god is omnipotent and able to control his own rules, he could just forgive without death.

thepyro222
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Why does that make a difference


Much like the early Jews would sacrifice a pure lamb, with no spots, pure white. The blood of a sinless man is the only thing that could bear all of the sins that God has put upon them.
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Wolf's Link on Why Creation is Wrong.

Once more I have left for a few hours only to return to read through pages of bull****. Right now I feel like hurting about everyone who called evolution a religion.

I'm not going to go into a lot of detail for you, because I don't feel like wasting my go**** time trying to beat sense into people denser than lead!

So, allow me to clarify one last time.

1. Until there is a RATIONAL argument this is not a debate. I used to be on a debate team. Some idiot decided to use faith as an argument during one of the debates. Want to know what happened? He lost for not having an argument!

2. Evolution is a scientific theory based on fact. Hard to understand I know. The big bad scientist is trying to send you to the devil by making you THINK!

3. Jeol, stop either being deliberately stupid, or just plain stupid. It's trolling, it's annoying and it causes me to lose what little respect I had for you.

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I've said it once. Christianity is the only religion to give true salvation.


I am wondering if you believe that only because of your faith or if you have what you think is factual justification for that - ie something besides the Bible, as believing that is faith-based.
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Much like the early Jews would sacrifice a pure lamb, with no spots, pure white. The blood of a sinless man is the only thing that could bear all of the sins that God has put upon them.


How does a physical action have an effect on something that is suppose to be spiritual? As 314d1 asked why couldn't God absolve this sin without the need for death? Is this just one of those things we aren't really suppose to think to much about and is without an actual answer beyond "just take it on faith"?
MageGrayWolf
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Umm, I asked that.
Seriously, this is like the third time someone misquoted me for him.


Sorry about that.
314d1
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Umm, I asked that.
Seriously, this is like the third time someone misquoted me for him.


Actually, I said that as well. For the record, you are using the avatar I used to use.
MageGrayWolf
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I think these are rather appropriate for the situation.

"Skeptical scrutiny is the means, in both science and religion, by which deep thoughts can be winnowed from deep nonsense."-Carl Sagan

"The truth of our faith becomes a matter of ridicule among the infidels if any Catholic, not gifted with the necessary scientific learning, presents as dogma what scientific scrutiny shows to be false."-Thomas Aquinas

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Also, If you want more proof, spend 15 bucks and get "top 10 proofs Christianity is the only true religion"

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If determinism, then not Christianity.

But Not-determinism makes absolutely no sense.

Here's an analogy - let's say you have a vending machine, you put in a dollar, and press a button, and you get a bottle of water. You turn back time and repeat it exactly as you had, but this time you don't get a bottle of water - you get a can of sprite. This is why determinism doesn't make sense.

So therefore, determinism.

So therefore, not Christianity.

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