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I grew up atheist for 16 years. I had always kept an open mind towards religion, but never really felt a need to believe in it. My sister started going to a Wednesday night children's program at a church. Eventually, I was dragged into a Christmas Eve service. Scoffing, I reluctantly went, assuming that this was going to be a load of crap, but when I went, I felt something. Something that I've never felt before. I felt a sense of empowerment and a sense of calling. Jesus called upon my soul, just like he did with his disciples. he wanted me to follow him. Now, my life is being lived for Christ. He died on the cross for my sins, and the sins of everyone who believes in him. He was beaten, brutalized, struck with a whip 39 times, made to carry a cross up to the stage of his death. This I believe to be true, and I can never repay him for what he has done.
I still have my struggles with Christianity, but I've found this bit of information most useful. Religion is not comprehensible in the human mind, because we cannot comprehend the idea of a perfect and supreme being, a God, but we can believe it in our heart, and that's the idea of faith. Faith is, even though everything rides against me believing in Jesus, I still believe in him because I know that it's true in my heart. I invite my fellow Brothers and sisters of the LORD to talk about how Jesus has helped you in your life. No atheists and no insults please

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Thepyro, thanks for having the guts to post this thread. I think there should be at least ONE place christians on this site can talk in peace, for once. Thanks man, I don't think I'd be able to talke the bashing

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tehpwner, I am extremely sorry (but not really) to inform you that this thread has been compromised by Atheists, including myself.

jeol
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Then I take it you don't believe everything in the Bible then?

Yes, I do. I take most of it seriously and sometimes assume that things like this mean the same thing.
Thepyro, thanks for having the guts to post this thread. I think there should be at least ONE place christians on this site can talk in peace, for once. Thanks man, I don't think I'd be able to talke the bashing

Sadly, we still get bashed :/
Judas buys the land. Totally different guy takes the money to buy the land after Judas is dead. Was one of these perceivers Mr.Magoo?

What he was saying was that what I was saying was that though they seem to be saying to different things, they can still mean the same things, just one had a different perspective or a different knowledge than the other had.
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Thepyro, thanks for having the guts to post this thread. I think there should be at least ONE place christians on this site can talk in peace, for once. Thanks man, I don't think I'd be able to talke the bashing


Sadly he cannot dictate who views and comments on this thread. And to be clear many of us are not bashing, we are trying to have a reasoned discussion. However, when reason fails we become aggitated with the ignorance SOME people show.
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You really can't accept both without running into contradiction, which means you are left with having to deny one of the above statements.


Some forms of Christianity like Mormons believe the EVERYTHING in the Bible is the truth and each word is the absolute truth. I am a Catholic and I have a very open mind so science. The Bible is full of metaphors and not everything is straight forward. It can't be taken at face value, it requires thought. I don't believe that on the 3rd day God made the Sun or any of that. I do find truth in the big bang. But, how did that infinitely small, dense and hot speck get there?
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Didn't my response just explain faith is a belief in something with out evidence did i not explain how our world is made up of many inventions that took faith. how about this re-read it and come back to me on that


Oh I understood, however, regardless of faith you are still making an assertion. Saying God is real will no doubt lead to people asking "How do you know?" simply saying, "Faith", is not, for many people a good enough answer. Therefore we ask you to prove it. That's usually when you ask us to disprove it. How does one disprove it when there is no evidence to do so. Therefore, if you make a claim you must validate that claim.
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I wonder how many have gotten ninja'd today? Three of us replied in the same minute.

tehpwner, I am extremely sorry (but not really) to inform you that this thread has been compromised by Atheists, including myself.

I find it odd how there are more atheistic posts in this thread than Christian ones and I never even looked at the "Atheist FTW" thread. That's hardly fair, is it?
Sadly he cannot dictate who views and comments on this thread. And to be clear many of us are not bashing, we are trying to have a reasoned discussion. However, when reason fails we become aggitated with the ignorance SOME people show.

We can never have a Christian debate on this site without an atheist involved, can we? Sigh...
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Some forms of Christianity like Mormons believe the EVERYTHING in the Bible is the truth and each word is the absolute truth. I am a Catholic and I have a very open mind so science. The Bible is full of metaphors and not everything is straight forward. It can't be taken at face value, it requires thought. I don't believe that on the 3rd day God made the Sun or any of that. I do find truth in the big bang. But, how did that infinitely small, dense and hot speck get there?


I agree with what you say. I am also a Catholic. I don't totally believe in the Big Bang theory, but im open to it. I find science interesting and agree with the majority of what it says. The one i don't believe mainly in is evolution.
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Cowmaster1!! I have not seen you in forever.

I agree with what you say. I am also a Catholic. I don't totally believe in the Big Bang theory, but im open to it. I find science interesting and agree with the majority of what it says. The one i don't believe mainly in is evolution.

Evolution is not a part of science, even though many scientists and people like that happen to be scientists. It's sort of like a religion. Christianity is not a science, but it tells pretty much the same thing as Evolution. Different stories, same topic. Science and religion should not be made equal.
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Evolution is not a part of science, even though many scientists and people like that happen to be scientists. It's sort of like a religion.


Bullsh*t... just bullsh*t and you know that!
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Evolution is not a part of science, even though many scientists and people like that happen to be scientists. It's sort of like a religion. Christianity is not a science, but it tells pretty much the same thing as Evolution. Different stories, same topic. Science and religion should not be made equal.


Evolution is a scientific theory - what part of that don't you understand? You're as bad as the halfwits that claim Atheists worship Charles Darwin. Bah, 'the creation story' is in no way comparable to a scientific theory, it doesn't give any in-depth explanation and the evidence for it is woefully lacking - in other words, to spare you time, We have the fossil record - we win.
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Evolution is a scientific theory - what part of that don't you understand? You're as bad as the halfwits that claim Atheists worship Charles Darwin. Bah, 'the creation story' is in no way comparable to a scientific theory, it doesn't give any in-depth explanation and the evidence for it is woefully lacking - in other words, to spare you time, We have the fossil record - we win.

I don't believe that you believe that Charles Darwin is a saint, 'cause you guys don't have saints. Just kidding.

Science deals with what is and also explains things that are, not about what was. It's like saying a lion and a tiger are the same, "'Cause they look alike!" but try comparing religions like Islam and Christianity and Evolution and see that all of them try to explain the beginning, all of them try to explain how we got here, and all of them describe who we are (to some extent). And on the evidence part, I think you're becoming slightly ignorant. Read this article. I know it's long, but I think you can handle it if you've been reading this entire thread.
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tehpwner, I am extremely sorry (but not really) to inform you that this thread has been compromised by Atheists, including myself.


**** those atheists and...oh wait.

Yes, I do. I take most of it seriously and sometimes assume that things like this mean the same thing.


But you just said there are errors in the Bible.

What he was saying was that what I was saying was that though they seem to be saying to different things, they can still mean the same things, just one had a different perspective or a different knowledge than the other had.


And even though they have completely different stories you accept both as true?

Some forms of Christianity like Mormons believe the EVERYTHING in the Bible is the truth and each word is the absolute truth.


Joseph Smith thought most of the Bible was full of errors and according to the story the Book of Mormon provides the actual true story. So far as I can tell it's (Book of Mormon > Bible) for Mormons.


The Bible is full of metaphors and not everything is straight forward. It can't be taken at face value, it requires thought.


How do you tell what is metaphor and what is straight forward?

But, how did that infinitely small, dense and hot speck get there?


The Big Bang doesn't deal with that question. I can provide you with several hypotheses.

We can never have a Christian debate on this site without an atheist involved, can we? Sigh...


I don't think this is a place for one sided debates. Though given you feel that your side is under represented my guess is you likely think it is.


Evolution is not a part of science, even though many scientists and people like that happen to be scientists.


Evolution is a scientific theory and a scientific fact, so yes it is.

It's sort of like a religion.


Not even close.


Science and religion should not be made equal.


I agree with you there.
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Science deals with what is and also explains things that are, not about what was.


Ever hear of forensics? Paleontology? Archeology? Are you an idiot by birth or practice?

It's like saying a lion and a tiger are the same, "'Cause they look alike!"


Or because they share many of the same features, a spine, talons, and all those other characteristics of being a feline... It is like saying "Oh, no! Don't call those elements 'metals', just because they act like each other!"

but try comparing religions like Islam and Christianity and Evolution and see that all of them try to explain the beginning, all of them try to explain how we got here, and all of them describe who we are (to some extent).


So because the fiction covers more than fact, you should believe the fiction? So lets say you are living around the time that the Roswell incident happens. Aria 51 and all that. Since you do not have a satisfactory information with your current knowledge, does that mean you should just say "Well the alien theory explains what happens, why it happens, and in some detail, how it happens, so lets go with it"?

nd on the evidence part, I think you're becoming slightly ignorant.


I think you have become more ignorant than the rock in my backyard. At least rocks can give an insight into history, which you seem to not be able to comprehend.

Read this article. I know it's long, but I think you can handle it if you've been reading this entire thread.


A christian blog. Are you trying to kill us? No thanks, your ignorance is enough for right now.
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Science deals with what is and also explains things that are, not about what was.


Actually science deals with the natural world as a whole. (I really got to get around to finishing that thread)

but try comparing religions like Islam and Christianity and Evolution and see that all of them try to explain the beginning, all of them try to explain how we got here, and all of them describe who we are (to some extent).


Evolution makes no such claims of how life began. I suppose you could say in a way it covers how we got here. I doesn't cover who we are so much as what we are.

And on the evidence part, I think you're becoming slightly ignorant. Read this article.


Don't make me break out the links you clearly never bother to read or listen to.
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