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Posted Aug 21, '12 at 2:59am

Sp0ngeB0b

Sp0ngeB0b

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Wow there should be a shout box O_O

 

Posted Aug 21, '12 at 12:14pm

GhostOfMatrix

GhostOfMatrix

15,478 posts

Knight

Why do they have to be separate? If they can be trusted with one, they may as well have the other.

I'm basing this on Kongregate, but usually chat mods aren't that active within the forum. They are mods in chats because they frequent them and know how they work, that doesn't mean they do that with the forum. However if chat mods become active in the forums and do a good job, usually they'll get asked to become forum mods on top of being chat mods.
Or, of course, potential moderators could start out as chat mods and their performance would be monitored, and eventually if they do a good enough job they could be promoted to full-blown moderator.

I like this.
 

Posted Aug 21, '12 at 3:47pm

Skeleton_Pilot

Skeleton_Pilot

1,316 posts

Or, of course, potential moderators could start out as chat mods and their performance would be monitored, and eventually if they do a good enough job they could be promoted to full-blown moderator.


Yes! That is a great idea! The trial-and-error method sounds much better than having moderators hand-picked based solely on what the other moderators think of them!
 

Posted Aug 22, '12 at 3:09am

Jefferysinspiration

Jefferysinspiration

3,236 posts

Or, of course, potential moderators could start out as chat mods and their performance would be monitored, and eventually if they do a good enough job they could be promoted to full-blown moderator. It would be a much better system than what we currently use.


Very good idea.

As to GoM and CPs chat: Yes if forums get removed it'll suck, but as GoM said, it can be started over and surely it's a case of people being smart enough to copy and paste the help.

Also, CP i see what you're saying about the chat maybe taking away from the forums, but i don't think this will be massive. Forums will be alive and as buzzing as they are now. [Granted, that's not very much].
 

Posted Aug 27, '12 at 6:44pm

GhostOfMatrix

GhostOfMatrix

15,478 posts

Knight

Very good idea.

I think it would only be a good idea if they are active in the forum. Let's say someone who doesn't use the forum becomes a chat mod, just because they display the requirements in there and know how chats work doesn't mean it'll be exactly the same in the forum. I don't think they would allow someone who has little to no experience in a forum to have those kind of powers. Should've specified why I liked the idea, it was what I was trying to get through.

Just like I don't expect forum mods to become chat mods automatically. Different things to moderate.

But this is only relevant if they go through with this idea.
 

Posted Aug 28, '12 at 9:22pm

Ernie15

Ernie15

13,419 posts

Knight

Let's say someone who doesn't use the forum becomes a chat mod, just because they display the requirements in there and know how chats work doesn't mean it'll be exactly the same in the forum.


Obviously they wouldn't just promote people to the full-mod position solely because they were good chat mods. They'd have to show that they know their way around the forums and the rest of the site as well.

It would be more of a test of whether or not the user can handle a position of authority. Which, if you think about it, is safer than the current system of going basically with instinct and giving almost nobody a chance to prove themselves worthy.
 

Posted Aug 29, '12 at 7:47am

Jefferysinspiration

Jefferysinspiration

3,236 posts

It would be more of a test of whether or not the user can handle a position of authority. Which, if you think about it, is safer than the current system of going basically with instinct and giving almost nobody a chance to prove themselves worthy.


Just an idea: *If* they decided to bring this into effect, shouldn't people be able to apply for chat/forum mod, and then if they prove they're worthy, be selected to be full-time/proper mod in the same way selection happens now?

^ Maybe applications would just create way too much work for the mods though, come to think about it. I used to chat in a teensite, and they had an application process. Sometimes the owner or an admin with private message someone (a regular) and ask them to apply if they wanted it. Surely if they had an application process they could have some form of search criteria to block out people just signing up and instantly applying.

The application form asked for knowledge on the software used etc. I had no idea about it, but was active and had a decent knowledge on the site, the users, what was right/wrong, so i got given the chance. I don't know what software AG3 will use: but this site had a private room for mods/admins - new mods were brought here after been given the login to the software and were "trained" so practised banning, warning etc on the owner, which was helpful !
 

Posted Aug 29, '12 at 10:58am

GhostOfMatrix

GhostOfMatrix

15,478 posts

Knight

They'd receive dozens of applications and if this is similar to a job application, I'd expect a lot of people to put down fake information to try to get on their good sides. It doesn't sound like it'd work out well either way.

Also, applying makes it seem like you have a desire for it. Most people that wish they were mods just want to be because it looks cool; they don't realise how much time and effort the mods actually put into maintaining the site. Which means most people wouldn't be right for the job. Even if they realise it, so few people can handle it. You have to deal with people on a regular basis and devote a lot of your time to maintaining the site. At least, that's what is expected of them.

Which, if you think about it, is safer than the current system of going basically with instinct and giving almost nobody a chance to prove themselves worthy.

They want to avoid mistakes. Imagine appointing someone to a position of power and they decide to go crazy. You'll have a lot of unhappy users and the mods would look stupid for trusting that person enough to join their group.

If they put the software Cormyn created back in use to find people that fit the requirements and the mods watch over those mentioned users, I think that's fine.

However with chat mods, I think that their power should be restricted to the chat only. Being able to ban and remove messages within the chat, nowhere else.
 

Posted Aug 29, '12 at 11:08am

Jefferysinspiration

Jefferysinspiration

3,236 posts

They'd receive dozens of applications and if this is similar to a job application, I'd expect a lot of people to put down fake information to try to get on their good sides. It doesn't sound like it'd work out well either way.

Also, applying makes it seem like you have a desire for it. Most people that wish they were mods just want to be because it looks cool; they don't realise how much time and effort the mods actually put into maintaining the site. Which means most people wouldn't be right for the job. Even if they realise it, so few people can handle it. You have to deal with people on a regular basis and devote a lot of your time to maintaining the site. At least, that's what is expected of them.



However with chat mods, I think that their power should be restricted to the chat only. Being able to ban and remove messages within the chat, nowhere else.


I agree with the latter, and my thought was restricted to chat/forum mods. Maybe not even to the moderators, i'm just considering if they introduce personal chat rooms, like user-created ones (Although maybe they've rejected this, i can't remember)



If they put the software Cormyn created back in use to find people that fit the requirements and the mods watch over those mentioned users, I think that's fine.


Yeah this in my opinion was the best form of finding potential mods.
 

Posted Aug 29, '12 at 7:04pm

Ernie15

Ernie15

13,419 posts

Knight

They want to avoid mistakes. Imagine appointing someone to a position of power and they decide to go crazy.


That could happen no matter what method they used. Screening users down to the last drop isn't as foolproof as it sounds. There's still a chance that their supposedly perfect candidate will end up going insane with power. At least with the chat mod method, you give a potential candidate chatbox powers and the worst damage he can do is ban everybody from the chat.

The current method seems to be based almost entirely on the mods' personal opinions on users. Which would be fine if they weren't so paranoid of someone going crazy. Cormyn's system had the objectivity needed to pick users, but that's about all it had. The advantage of the chat mod method is that it can allow users to be chosen out of objectivity and to be promoted when they feel the candidate is responsible enough to handle full power.
 
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