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Posted Jul 5, '11 at 9:20pm

EmperorPalpatine

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Is it ever acceptable?
Is it cowardice or a cry for help?
Some cultures accepted it as something of honor (namely the Japanese military in WWII). Others condemned it (namely the ancient Spartans).
Share your thoughts and opinions here.

 

Posted Jul 5, '11 at 9:23pm

Jefferysinspiration

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I get your frustrations, but the debates already fairly done with in the other thread :P

Why not get them combined?

 

Posted Jul 5, '11 at 9:27pm

EmperorPalpatine

EmperorPalpatine

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Well, the other thread was for suicides based on prejudice. Your conversation/debate was about an unrelated hypothetical situation which would lead to a suicide.

 

Posted Jul 5, '11 at 9:28pm

Jefferysinspiration

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It started off based on prejudice and got out of hand, but we'll rope it back in once the conversation starts flowing again.

 

Posted Jul 5, '11 at 9:31pm

Kyouzou

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I consider it an act of cowardice amongst those of my age group for reason such as bullying, I cannot speak in any other case. I do condemn it amongst all people, and I think it's foolish to do it as an act of preserving honor.

 

Posted Jul 5, '11 at 9:37pm

Freakenstein

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As far as I can deduce, the other thread was on bullying/demonizing people/stereotypes/ethnicities/etc. At least that's what I saw in the OP. This thread seems to discuss suicide in general.

Suicide can be the effect of many different circumstances, a good chunk resulting from emotional instability. Death of a loved one, excessive bullying, rejection, all this negative influence can result in severe depression which can lead to suicide. As objective as I can be, the circumstances that lead to suicide can be dealt with positively, and I feel that there is no tangible reason for someone to commit suicide, especially if said circumstances did not involve them. Some may take it as cowardice, but such a definition is too strong for such a difficult topic.

 

Posted Jul 5, '11 at 9:42pm

Jefferysinspiration

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As argued in the other thread, we can't understand the pain someone must feel to be at such a low point in their life where that is their only option.

I consider it an act of cowardice amongst those of my age group for reason such as bullying


For the most part i'd agree, although it's all to do with a persons state of mind, and to them asking for help will only make things worse. You have to take into consideration their home life also. They might feel totally alone.

With reference to 'adult' problems as such, they might not know how do deal with certain problems. I previously argued, not every problem has a fix, not everyone has the same mental stability, not everyone can change their life circumstances and not everyone can deal with it.

It shouldn't be a case of someone being labelled a coward - that isn't going to help them is it?

More education and help needs to be offered to those who feel like this.
 

Posted Jul 5, '11 at 9:51pm

Kyouzou

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The way I see an adult has so much more to deal with than a child, an adult in some cases has no one to rely on, and in that case loneliness is a terrible thing to experience.

Children however have parents, there are few who have no companionship, either at home or at school. In that case to think just because someone mocks you, laughs at you, is an excuse to kill yourself, is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard of.

 

Posted Jul 5, '11 at 10:56pm

bravehawk204

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Suicide is a long lasting solution to a temporary problem.

 

Posted Jul 6, '11 at 12:26am

Armed_Blade

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It's stupid. I mean, I had a pretty crap childhood :p
Yet, to be serious about it, I think some teenagers are extremely stupid. They flood themselves with some pointless social life they regard so dear to them and then if it gets sour they see it as an excuse to kill themselves.
Maybe calling people cowards is too harsh, but it still doesn't change the fact that that is exactly what they are.

It's true, bullying sucks, but if you're able to waltz around in a first world country with at least some opportunities, and beggars aren't hopping off ledges everyday, then I'm just going to assume you're not brave enough to face life.

Suicide is a long lasting solution to a temporary problem.


I wouldn't even call it a solution. I mean, if you're poor, you're going to die poor, and if you were bullied, you're going to take it to hard and die as the kid that was bullied.
I knew one kid that had trouble walking home, since this other kid loved to hit him or something. He got pretty sad about it, and his parents were always at work, but then eventually he got a cop to follow him on his way home. There's loads of help available, and even if there isn't, I don't think anything like that is bad enough to make you want to kill yourself.
[and of course, for all those people who are bipolar/mentally disabled, I wasn't referring to them]
 
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