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Posted Apr 10, '12 at 11:53am

thepunisher93

thepunisher93

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self defence or bullying back? the first one is good, it is ok to defend yourself after someone attacked you. but if you turn into a bully then you are not better than the people who bullied you.

I don't think bullying a bully is a bad thing
There are things far worse than bullying and we fought back until they left us alone.

I have to disagree in that one. If it takes a certain mental state to make an action brave, then a murder, serial killer and terrorist also brave.

I think there is a fine line between brave and stupid. Suicide, murder, terror and everything related are stupid.

You stole my words!

 

Posted Apr 10, '12 at 1:05pm

dair5

dair5

2,479 posts

If being suicidal means thinking of taking your own life then yes i 've done that but then I I just shook my hand head and focused on my problems
In my opinion there is no problem that can't be solved

I think you actually have to be serious about it. Like you really want to die. And you've thought about how it was going to happen, seriously considered doing it, that kind of thing. I don't think considering it for a of couple minutes and shaking it off counts. Not to in any way say that what you experienced wasn't difficult, I just don't think you were at the level that people who seriously consider suicide were.

In my opinion there is no problem that can't be solved

To a suicidal person, this is the solution to their problem.

I don't think bullying a bully is a bad thing
There are things far worse than bullying and we fought back until they left us alone.

Just because there are worse things, doesn't make it okay... But based on what you've told us I think what you did was fair. You only did it when they bullied you first, so...

 

Posted Apr 10, '12 at 5:35pm

thepunisher93

thepunisher93

1,859 posts

I think you actually have to be serious about it. Like you really want to die. And you've thought about how it was going to happen, seriously considered doing it, that kind of thing. I don't think considering it for a of couple minutes and shaking it off counts. Not to in any way say that what you experienced wasn't difficult, I just don't think you were at the level that people who seriously consider suicide were.

No seriously i considered it up to point of method then I shook it off

To a suicidal person, this is the solution to their problem.

An easy way out
A man comitting it is a shame for manhood

 

Posted Apr 10, '12 at 5:54pm

master565

master565

3,874 posts

An easy way out

Who says it isn't the only way out? Or the best way out?

Not to mention it isn't really your choice at all. Read this page

Some prominent points:

Over 90 percent of the people who die by suicide have a mental illness at the time of their death. And the vast majority of those mental illnesses are untreated, under-treated, or not properly treated.

People who die by suicide are not thinking clearly -- and they cannot possibly think clearly -- because their brain is not functioning properly at the time they pass away from suicide.

Their brain is giving them overwhelming signals to die.

They have a chemical imbalance in their brain, are in extreme emotional pain, and their mind is saying "you must die by suicide to end this."

They do not "choose" do die -- their mental illness causes them to die -- just like some people die from heart disease, cancer, or other things that are out of their control.

Let me draw an analogy between suicide and obsessive compulsive disorder (OCD): People with OCD have recurrent, overwhelming, obsessive thoughts that compel them to act in ways that others do not understand. For instance, a person with OCD may believe that his or her house is contaminated -- even though it is immaculately clean -- and thus compulsively washes his or her hands to get rid of the "germs."

So do people who are otherwise very intelligent simply "choose" to wash their hands 500 times a day?

No.

They have a disorder and need treatment.

Now, someone with severe depression -- and untreated depression is the number one cause for suicide -- has a similar signal that their brain is sending to them, and that signal is this: you must die by suicide.

That "signal" is incessant and overwhelming.

Again, the person does not "choose" suicide; the mental illness causes the suicide.

The people who do not understand these basic, irrefutable truths about suicide are part of a serious problem -- and that problem is ignorance. And, unbelievably, many psychologists, psychiatrists, suicidologists, and members of the clergy are part of this problem -- and thus they actually perpetuate stigma instead of fighting it!

 

Posted Apr 10, '12 at 7:10pm

sprooschicken

sprooschicken

775 posts

I know from personal experience that a depressed person does not, and cannot, without help, think as a normal person does. I hate to sound clique and annoying, but unless you have been depressed you cannot know how that person is thinking at the point of suicide, the only thing I can liken it to is like being on some kind of drug, you aren't yourself. As the post above states, it is not a choice.

 

Posted Apr 11, '12 at 3:39am

HahiHa

HahiHa

4,994 posts

Knight

That's why, following up to masters and sprooschickens posts, I don't like it when people consider suicidal people weak/coward/stupid/'shame for mankind' etc., even though I don't support suicide itself; because this attitude only makes things worse. If you think so yourself, then keep it to yourself; nobody's taking you that away. But by telling the suicidal people that they're a shame for mankind, not only are you gonna depressing them even further, but you're gonna put an additional pressure on them which will only push them faster to suicide.

...which in some way makes you jointly responsible.

 

Posted Apr 11, '12 at 9:09am

budokai1694

budokai1694

258 posts

I know from personal experience that a depressed person does not, and cannot, without help, think as a normal person does. I hate to sound clique and annoying, but unless you have been depressed you cannot know how that person is thinking at the point of suicide, the only thing I can liken it to is like being on some kind of drug, you aren't yourself. As the post above states, it is not a choice.

I have been depressed for right around a year and a half at this point.. and before i started taking medication i was constantly thinking suicidal thoughts and was on the verge of taking my own life. im still not 100% recovered but i feel way better than that at this point.... if a parent doesnt really their kid is depressed than that is another issue. kids shouldnt be depressed to the point of suicide without their parents knowing... if u get help then suicide shouldnt be a problem in society, but asking for help is always the hardest part

 

Posted Apr 12, '12 at 9:05pm

communist09

communist09

271 posts

I think every human being should have the right to cease to exist when they please. But it doesn't really matter because you can't really prohibit anyone from suicide through the law, even though they try.

 

Posted Apr 15, '12 at 12:54pm

xAyjAy

xAyjAy

1,683 posts

I think every human being should have the right to cease to exist when they please. But it doesn't really matter because you can't really prohibit anyone from suicide through the law, even though they try.

so it is ok to pull the plug if someone in a hospital wants to die?

Suicide is Not a Choice:rnPeople Who Die by SuicidernDo Not Choose to Die

^wow, so true that it makes me sad.

 

Posted May 1, '12 at 1:39pm

NarutoAwesomeness28

NarutoAwesomeness28

197 posts

I guess sometimes it can be an act of cowardness(is that a word lol).. but not all the time.. I mean if they have NO one there for them..then I get why they would to it. :/

 
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