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thelistman
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Everyone that I know who calls themselves a "Socialist" or "Communist" is an extreme hypocrite. A simple definition of Socialism is where âproperty and the distribution of wealth are subject to control by the community.â Socialism also calls for Workerâs Councils to take over the means of production. It is a working class movement. I can respect an organized working class. I am going to be a teacher in the future and will make crap for a salary. But that is my choice. Capitalism gives me equal opportunity to pick my career. I could have been an engineer making at least $50K first year. But because of Capitalism, I have a choice. And I decided to become a teacher. I believe in the Capitalist system because it makes people work for their money. Socialism is an oppressive system that tries to stop the natural order of economics.

Something I have seen lately is the number of âSocialistsâ who have appeared amongst the youth of America. Are they here to go against their parents? Maybe. Every generation has children who do not agree with their parents. Are they here to start a revolution? Possibly... All generations have their âwanna-be revolutionaries.â Or are they here because they want to stir things up? This is what I think they are after. From what I have seen the average left-economist has been a spoiled, rich, drugged up, white kid who wants to rebel against society.

All of my friends who claim to have left-wing economic values are all white and are from wealthy families. I find it a bit weird that they continually talk about how the "white race" oppresses everyone. Even as they argue this, they continually do things to bring down the working class and minorities.

One of my college friends who labels himself as a âleftist socialist revolutionaryâ grows marijuana and sells it for a huge profit. I noticed most of his customers were of ethnic minorities as well. When I asked how this was compatible with Socialism and racial equality, he ignored me at first. He later explained that marijuana was a symbol for the leftist movement. He never explained how selling it for huge profits was compatible with his beliefs though. I continued to press him on the issue, and all he could come up with was âIâm spreading the love equally like Socialism calls for!â His hypocrisy was so evident that I did not even have to continue questioning him.

Another friend of mine who claims Socialism is the greatest thing ever continuously shops at Wal-Mart, a massive corporation. She apparently has no problem with Wal-Mart and her economic beliefs, because she is ill-informed. I asked her if it was okay for a Socialist to shop at Wal-Mart, and she said it was no problem. She did not see the problem with it.

Another example of economic leftist hypocrisy that I have is within the gay community. I know several gay people from college. Many of them wear âCheâ t-shirts. If you do not know who Che is, then look here: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Che_Guevara, His photo on the right side is a symbol for Socialists and Communists across the globe. In fact, most Historians agree that it is the most important photo of all time. You can see his image on shirts like this: http://www.geocities.com/socialist_action/che.gif). Ernesto âCheâ Guevara was one of the most devoted Communists I have read about. Yet he had thousands of Christians killed for their beliefs. He had hundreds executed for owning large plots of land. More importantly for this argument, Che had thousands of people executed for being homosexual. Now how could any homosexual wear a t-shirt with Cheâs image on it? Economic left wingers love Che for his devotion to Socialism and Communism, yet they blind themselves to the fact that he was a ruthless killer of homosexuals, religious people, and those who owned land. This is yet another hypocrisy of left-wing economists.

The best example I have is of my geography teacher in college. He was a devout Communist. He denied the Cambodian and Bosnian genocides (both committed by Communists). He denied the purges of Stalin and the Ukranian Famine he caused. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_terror, and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor). Stalin killed more than Hitler, yet this teacher claimed Stalin was one of the most democratic rulers ever. This teacher stuck by his die-hard Communist ideology. But one day, I found him shopping in a Wal-Mart. Just like my friend who claimed to be a Socialist, this man was shopping in a Wal-Mart. I did not have to say anything to him, but once he saw me there, his face turned red and he walked away. The next class he kicked me out when I argued that the Bosnian genocide was real. In fact, I had just seen a video of Bosnians being killed, execution style, by Communist forces. He told me that the video was fake, and then he kicked me out of class. He could not deal with the truth, so he got rid of me... typical Socialist thought.

I know that we live in a Capitalist society. Socialists and Communists have to live by making money in the society that exists. But when they shop at Wal-Mart (instead of local âMa and Paâ stores), or when they sell drugs for unbelievable profits, or when they support a mass killer like Che, they are being complete hypocrites. I have to wonder about the devotion of these so called âSocialistsâ and âCommunists.â They can claim to be economic left-wingers all they want, but by their actions, they cannot deny their love for Capitalism.

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Graham
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you would do minimum to survive when you can't make much profit and when you can make more profit you push for your business more

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sorry for thinking the left is mainly compromised of them


Everyone is wrong sometimes.
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from what i recall democrats have been in control of congress since 2004


They've actually only been in control since 2006, and even then they had an extremely slight majority in the Senate, at 51-49.
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you would do minimum to survive when you can't make much profit and when you can make more profit you push for your business more


Under socialism you can still make ten times as much money as the lowest paid citizen... and that business will likely fail if it's only working to get the bare minimun for whatever magical reason. There can still be a lot of private marketing going on under socialism. It all depends how "socialist" a country is I suppose. Sweden isn't as socialist as Cuba, that's for sure.
Graham
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Under socialism you can still make ten times as much money as the lowest paid citizen...


where does that money come from? do they print more off?
VoteSocialist
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money


Where does any of it come from?
thisisnotanalt
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Where does any of it come from?


Money-printing machines. . . .
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Under socialism you can still make ten times as much money as the lowest paid citizen... and that business will likely fail if it's only working to get the bare minimun for whatever magical reason. There can still be a lot of private marketing going on under socialism. It all depends how "socialist" a country is I suppose. Sweden isn't as socialist as Cuba, that's for sure.


Ok, this is what I don't understand. What advantages are you claiming in favor of socialism over capitalism? Every good thing you've said about it has been something that already exists in a free market, or the free market does a lot better. Socialism v. Capitalism whats your case?
Graham
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Where does any of it come from?
[quote]Money-printing machines. . . .
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i suppose you could earn 10 times the money that way but the value would be the same. Inflation
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Ok, this is what I don't understand. What advantages are you claiming in favor of socialism over capitalism? Every good thing you've said about it has been something that already exists in a free market, or the free market does a lot better. Socialism v. Capitalism whats your case?



I said this more than five times: the average middle class and lower family gets paid a lot more while CEOs that don't really need all of that money they horde get paid a lot less.
Think Peter Pan: Taking from the greedy and giving to the needy! Any saint would love to do that anyway, if they're religious that is.
Graham
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you can still make ten times as much money as the lowest paid citizen...


i see now it's you get what 10x lowest rather than you get 10x current. for many peoples this will be a greatly reduced paycheck. but what will happen to the stock market? will it cease to exist?
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NOOOOOO!!!!!!!!! All I said was that the richest people will have no more than 10x as much money as the poorest.

Graham
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i meant that with you get what 10x lowest but forgot to add a second "get" at the end... so yeah i know

stock market??

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market



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