Posted Jun 19, '12 at 12:49pm
well many people are dying for nothing they are killing each other for nothing ? so do you think that's right also ?
All the religions have handicaps.and i don't think you're able to answer questions about Islam.
p.s i'm an atheist.
Posted Jun 20, '12 at 5:19pm
why stop an army, who want to kill innocent people? I dont see USA stop killing terrorist anytime soon...
Who said he didnt want to?
and freeze them, so they can start killing innocent people later, sounds more logical to you...
If they were completely dedicated, they wouldnt blow them up in the first place, since it against the rule
Last I checked, all countries, including USA. It ok to attack in self defense.
And after your logic, it would be easy for a person to convince an US citizen, to start randomly attack each other...
after your logic, anyone can beat you, hit you, try to kill you. Yet you wont move a muscle to prevent any of it?
are you saying all muslims are terrorist? if not, then I dont see whats wrong with this text. Any country will fight someone who they are at war with.
I dont know about you, but so far what is written are very logical.
Posted Jun 20, '12 at 7:07pm
The difference is that the USA has to kill terrorist to stop them. God is like Super Man on steroids, and Super man doesn't even kill people.
Lets say it is like a video game, like Mass Effect. You have two choices, you can stop the army without killing them (Paragon) or you can kill the entire army (Renegade). While stopping the army by killing them is the most humans can do, Yawheh has the option to stop them. Without killing them. Witch makes killing them cruel, doesn't it?
So Yawheh likes killing innocents? I don't see how that supports your cause...
Why would they start killing innocent people later on? Why couldn't he just freeze them every time he tries to harm someone? He is, after all, omnipotent and omniscient, what would stop him?
No it isn't, they consider themselves myters for their god, which is considered a good thing. Not against the rules at all.
Some major differences being the fact that people in the US can often get actual news. The terrorist believe whatever they are told.
Of course not, if someone is trying to kill me I do everything in my power to stop them. Witch is usually shooting them. Like I said, that is the only way I could stop them. If Superman was getting shot at, it would be illogical for him to go and crush the enemies head, since he does not need to.
I am saying that the text quite clearly says to go and kill people, witch is hardly a message at peace. I am saying that Muslim terrorist are a current threat above domestic terrorist in America, being better armed and hiding better.
Posted Jun 21, '12 at 3:01am
What's with all the terrorist talk? Islam and terrorism are two COMPLETELY different things. Maybe the most recent terrorists happened to be Muslim, but that doesn't make Islam a religion of terror. Anybody remember Timothy McVeigh? It seems this thread has really gotten away from its original purpose.
As for my question, how hard is it being Muslim in a predominately Christian country like the United States? What challenges do you face?
Posted Jun 21, '12 at 5:22am
stopping the army would just mean they can kill later on. It doesnt make sense to prevent somebody, to kill, and in the meantime let them kill others later.
last time I checked, it wasnt innocent to kill... so by calling them innocent, you actually justified cold blooded murder.
So if USA caught a murder. Then after your opinion they should imprison him for 1 day, and then release him again. And every time they catch him doing something wrong, they should hold him for 1 day?
not if the rule clearly states, that it against them doing that.
so after your opinion it ok, for an american to kill a innocent person, if he just says he did for america? and it will be USA fault, because the american citizen did it for USA, which is good after your opinion.
so you are saying a muslin, is a terrorist. And your saying a muslim isn't human, since he cant get actual news. And you assume a muslim cant be a US citizen.
I will repeat the same thing millions people are saying, muslims are not terrorist.
after reading your arguments, it sounds like you assume muslim are the terrorist.
I doubt USA or any other country, got any different rules.
last time I checked, muslims aren't superman's. And cant withstand a bullet, or any other kind of weapons.
so does the US laws, or any other countries. Since the rules are all the same. I doubt USA will stand and watch, while other countries bomb them and kills them.
Then blame the individuals, and not Islam for it. Since Islam clearly says it against terror.
Posted Jun 21, '12 at 6:11am
its very funny to see all thhese "american patriots" who just looking for the word "kill" in the qurean, and than jump on you reiki. you can post about the rules of handling food, but when they will see the word "kill", 3 of them will already say "what a barbarians" and "in USA we never let it happen" and stuff. last time i checked, Christianity did said "show the other cheek", but i dont see any of them doing something close to it.
im not against christiany or against USA. im against Egocentricity and the thinking of peoples that there cultur and religion is supereme and the other are inferior barbarians.
Posted Jun 21, '12 at 6:53pm
So why doesn't he stop them from killing later?
(I noticed I called him Yawheh. I forgot he was Allah. Both are six letter words wit Hs, so it is logical I would get them tied up...)
Bloody murderers? All right, lets say that the entire Egyptian army at that time was bloody murderers. Do you know what happened before the Egyptian army was killed? The last plague of Egypt?
Every first born child was killed. Every one of them. And these where not hardened soldiers sent to kill anyone, they where children. Did those children diverse to die?
If the US government was omnipotent and omniscient, maybe. Why wouldn't a god be able to stop such a thing?
Where does it say that?
47:4 Now when ye meet in battle those who disbelieve, then it is smiting of the necks until, when ye have routed them, then making fast of bonds; and afterward either grace or ransom till the war lay down its burdens. That (is the ordinance). And if Allah willed He could have punished them (without you) but (thus it is ordained) that He may try some of you by means of others. And those who are slain in the way of Allah, He rendereth not their actions vain.
Witch seems to say to go and kill the diss believers. And if you die fighting your holy war, then it was OK.
Are you saying that the people in Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, or whomever don't blame America for all the deaths of the innocents? Last I checked, we do get blamed for that.
....Yes. You obviously saw right threw me. That terrorist who is fed everything by a fanatical leader, in a poor country where they are likely to get only news filtered by that fanatical leader, with few unbiased news sources, can only not get news because he is a Muslim. You got exactly what I am saying, without misinterpreting it with your moronic mindset. And of course I am saying a Muslim can't be a U.S citizen, that is obviously exactly what I said. Since of course any attempt for them to join makes them spontaneously combust, apparently. And it is not like there is tens of thousands of Muslims serving in our own military, fighting the terrorists, since apparently they can't be citizens. You cought me, good job.
Some are. Or are you denying that there are Muslim terrorist?
Yes, since after I said specifically that Muslim terrorist are not the only terrorist, but are simply the ones America is currently having the biggest threat against. You got me, using your powers of stereotyping, I am obviously a racist. Good job.
...Rules for what?
Weren't we still talking about Allah, who is a superman, drowning the Egyptian army?
Of course not, since that is a practical rule. It does not make much since to let yourself get blown up. But apparently terrorist don't realize that, and try to get themselves blown up. Are you denying that Muslim terrorist had attacked America? Before America had attacked? Who did it for their religion? Witch they believe says you can blow yourself up for you god? It doesn't matter how you interpret it, or how the OP interprets it. Are you denying that Muslim terrorist can interpret the Quaran, easily, to fit what they are doing?
You obviously didn't get what I was saying. That was the post where I said "Not all terrorist are Muslim".
The difference between individuals and religion is that religion causes the action. An American troop shoots an innocent and collects it's toes as trophies? That was simply an insane individual. If he where part of the French army, the British army, or just a civilian, he would have done the same thing. His status as a soldier for America doesn't change anything.
But the religion? If a terrorist blows himself up, he would not do it unless he was completely and utterly dedicated to his cause. And he would not do that without his insane religion. Or are you saying he would blow himself up if he was an atheist?
*Clap clap clap* Nice reading. Since that is obviously what is happening. Since every one who posted on this sight has been Christian, especially the ones arguing against the Muslims. Especially in the last few pages. Way to pay attention.
And am I the only one who thinks it is OK to call people out when their religion says "Go slit the necks of the nonbelievers!"?
Since that is obviously what happens. Way to actually read what is being written.
Posted Jun 21, '12 at 11:00pm
how tolerant are muslims toward nonbelievers?
Posted Jun 24, '12 at 6:14am
give me an example how
Since god is all knowing, then the children could have gotten horrible life when they grow up, or they would become the same as the Egyptian army. So that why god decide they should go to heaven, instead of living a horrible life in earth.
When a person is evil, he will keep committing crimes. So I dont see your point.
We are talking about battle/war. your own argument dont support you.
yes, I did
Yes, you did say that indirectly
yes, you did say that to, also indirectly
and thanks for proving my point. according to you, it says in Islam to kill non believers, yet there is muslims who fighting terrorism. so I gonna repeat myself, Islam doesn't support terrorism.
I am not denying there is very few, but it doesn't mean Islam is support it. They are doing for their own political reason.
Your own fault. We were clearly talking about the rules in Islam, instead you turn the topic to terrorism.
And who America got a threat with. Has nothing to do with Islam.
it funny how you insult danielo for not paying attention, yet you yourself haven't.
the whole time you were discussing the rules in Islam, and how barbaric they are. And me giving example, and trying to make you understand that other countries have the same rules.
Here we have you again, not paying attention. I find it funny, how you immediately insult somebody for not paying attention, yet you do it so often yourself.
how come, people are insane individuals when it comes to countries, but as soon the individual person is a muslim, suddenly it all Islams fault.
Yes, he would blow himself even if he was an atheist. Let me tell you something, that most Americans dont get.
A terrorist fight for hes political cause, no matter if he is religious or not. That why there is also non religious terrorists, and it alone should be prove enough that it has nothing to do with religion.
*clap clap* to you, nice reading, since he clearly says that.
no, you are the only one who misread it in a degree, that is hard to believe. It almost like you read only 3 words of the entire text.
It is what you wrote, so please for the next time, read what you write.
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