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Posted Feb 1, '12 at 10:43am

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I am catholic so I believe that there is heaven and hell. I do beleive that you have to do good in this world to be able to go to heaven but if you do evil and bad more than good in this world I do believe that you will go to hell.

Heaven it is hard to concept the thought of living for eternity in heaven and that everything would be perfect and everyone would be nice and kind.

Hell it is also very hard to think that you will be punished for many years until getting the chance to go to heaven. Also you could be in hell for eternity suffering if you do very bad things in this world.

What is you thought on heaven and hell?

Do you beleive in heaven and hell?

Do you think you will go to heaven or hell?

Is God really real?

Discuss, it can be short or long answers or views.

 

Posted Feb 1, '12 at 10:48am

nichodemus

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I am catholic so I believe that there is heaven and hell.

I don't. What's there to prove that there exists such places, other than the honey-sweet words of a religious authority, quoting from a book full of contradictions, which claims to present ''evidence'', yet contains none but a jumble of stories that no one has ever authenticated?

Hell it is also very hard to think that you will be punished for many years until getting the chance to go to heaven. Also you could be in hell for eternity suffering if you do very bad things in this world.

If your God has already laid a Divine Plan which stipulates all our actions, isn't He already deciding who goes to Heaven, or Hell, without allowing us a chance at all? Then why would we even be bothered?

Do you think you will go to heaven or hell?

None. I wish there was, but nothing supports that claim. It's wishful thinking, to prepare you for death, or to make you behave.

 

Posted Feb 1, '12 at 10:56am

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isn't He already deciding who goes to Heaven, or Hell, without allowing us a chance at all? Then why would we even be bothered?

No God is not already deciding who goes to Heaven or Hell. He decides at the end of your life when you die if you did enough good in your life to go to heaven or if you did more bad things to go to hell.

 

Posted Feb 1, '12 at 10:59am

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No God is not already deciding who goes to Heaven or Hell. He decides at the end of your life when you die if you did enough good in your life to go to heaven or if you did more bad things to go to hell.

''This is the plan devised against the whole earth; and this is the hand that is stretched out against all the nations. ''For the Lord of hosts has planned, and who can frustrate it? And as for His stretched-out hand, who can turn it back?'' (Isaiah 14:26-27).

Doesn't this already show that God has decided everything for us; right down to where we go?

 

Posted Feb 1, '12 at 11:08am

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So with this passage is it saying that God has planned that we all go to Heaven because he has his stretched-out hand and who can say no.

Yes we are all going to go to heaven. We all go there to be judged. Those who are known by Jesus Christ as one of His disciples will enter heaven forever and the rest will enter hell.

When God created you and me he created us eternal. That means we have a beginning and no end. Now, that is a great gift or a great curse, and the person who decides is you. You can choose to live for God, or you can choose to live for yourself. Which ever choice you make will sort you out in the end. All decisions are made final upon your death, for eternity.

 

Posted Feb 1, '12 at 11:09am

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I strongly believe that Heaven and Hell is real.

 

Posted Feb 1, '12 at 11:10am

nichodemus

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Er.....no who said the passage said we're all going to Heaven? It merely states that God has planned all, a plan for the whole Earth.

When God created you and me he created us eternal. That means we have a beginning and no end. Now, that is a great gift or a great curse, and the person who decides is you. You can choose to live for God, or you can choose to live for yourself. Which ever choice you make will sort you out in the end. All decisions are made final upon your death, for eternity.

Kind of contradicts the Bible passage I just quoted you, doesn't it?

 

Posted Feb 1, '12 at 11:13am

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It would be too late when you find yourself in hell. You would wish you were a Christian. Many people have been to heaven or hell and back to earth. They all have the same types of descriptions.

 

Posted Feb 1, '12 at 11:17am

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It would be too late when you find yourself in hell. You would wish you were a Christian. Many people have been to heaven or hell and back to earth. They all have the same types of descriptions.

Again, without backing your ''facts'' up? Acting in a ''Holier-Than-Thou'' attitude?

Many people have been to heaven or hell and back to earth. They all have the same types of descriptions.

Evidence for the former.

Also, want to know why everyone said the same thing? When I say Hell, what do you think? Chances are, the vast majority of people think about a fiery burning pit of demons. That's why everyone says the same thing.

I would rather die, and find myself in Hell, than go through a life being subservient and bound to the whims of a Superior Being, who claims to love humanity, yet visits us with all sorts of natural disasters. I'll rather go through life as an atheist, than being under the celestial dictatorship of someone, who tells me if I don't follow his Word, I'm going to be punished for all eternity.

 

Posted Feb 1, '12 at 11:23am

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It merely states that God has planned all, a plan for the whole Earth.

God has not planned for all, a plan for the whole earth no. He merly created the Erath and whole Universe and created us. So then we can make our own choices to do good or bad.

Many people have been to heaven or hell and back to earth. They all have the same types of descriptions.

Many people say they have been to heaven. They could just be saying that. But some could be real like this one:

true story of the four-year old son of a small town Nebraska pastor who during emergency surgery slips from consciousness and enters heaven. He survives and begins talking about being able to look down and see the doctor operating and his dad praying in the waiting room. The family didn't know what to believe but soon the evidence was clear.

Colton said he met his miscarried sister, whom no one had told him about, and his great grandfather who died 30 years before Colton was born, then shared impossible-to-know details about each. He describes the horse that only Jesus could ride, about how "reaaally big" God and his chair are, and how the Holy Spirit "shoots down power" from heaven to help us.

Told by the father, but often in Colton's own words, the disarmingly simple message is heaven is a real place, Jesus really loves children, and be ready, there is a coming last battle.

 
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