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Posted Feb 1, '12 at 12:56pm

xAyjAy

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but im entirely sure i will end up in hell for the things i done and said and laughed at

why not outwaighting the bad things with good things? but you should do good things only to help others and not to get rewarded. to see someone happy is a real reward.

 

Posted Feb 1, '12 at 12:59pm

HahiHa

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Heaven it is hard to concept the thought of living for eternity in heaven and that everything would be perfect and everyone would be nice and kind.

Not only hard, but impossible. With our current ('life-time') state of mind we cannot live the way you just described; therefore I imagine christian heaven as a sort of eternal lobotomy where everyone just grin at each other and drink milk.
Were we to live eternally in our current state of mind, it would quickly become boring and with time passing, more and more horrible and excruciating.
Hell? I don't know. I imagine it like a huge party/orgy/whatever, in contrast to the eternal torture pit it is described as most often. Well maybe a bit of torture as a sort of greeting, but would demons really never get tired of torturing?

I almost prefer the Greek version of the afterlife, where most people go to Hades, where it's all gray and the like; sounds boring maybe, but also appeasing, melancholic, recreative. Closer to an eternal sleep.

What is you thought on heaven and hell?

Irreconcilable with my understanding of the consciousness. Since the concept of an afterlife needs the existence of a soul, and the concept of a soul is irreconcilable with neurology.

All three following questions: no^^

 

Posted Feb 1, '12 at 3:14pm

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@HahiHa

Since the concept of an afterlife needs the existence of a soul, and the concept of a soul is irreconcilable with neurology.

If there was no soul then why is there many ghost and angel sightings?

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christians believe that you can turn into an angle?

no christains do not beleive in becoming an angel but they do beleive in angels serving God and this is a thoery about what angels are.

what aboud non-christians? if you are born to a catholic family then you are really lucky (which means you are a good person) but if you were unlucky enough to be born to a jewish/muslim/atheist/whatever family most chances that you will nott convert espacially when for example the islam sais the exact same thing: "only muslims go to heaven".
what about gays? they are born that way. if they are born that way how can you say that he doesnt decide who is going to hell already? and why should some lucky catholic people have an easier start then non-christians/gays?

"How do we know that those who believe in Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, etc. will not be saved. None of the adherents of these faiths believe that Jesus in the Christ the Son of the Living God. Jesus said, "Except ye believe that I am he, ye shall die in your sins" (John 8: 24).

This passage means that the people that do not belive in Jesus Christ will not go to heaven. But if, however, they should learn of Christ, believe and obey him then they too could be saved. A gay or homosexual person can accept Christ, just as an alcoholic, a drug addict, or a mass-murderer can accept Christ. Jesus' offer of salvation is open to everyone.The Bible teaches that if someone has truly accepted Christ into his life, nothing can keep him out of heaven. In John 10:28, Christ says of Christians,

“I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of My hand.”

 

Posted Feb 1, '12 at 3:17pm

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In the Bible it says God forgives all sins except the unforgivable sin of not accepting Jesus.

 

Posted Feb 1, '12 at 3:25pm

AgathaB

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In the Bible it says God forgives all sins except the unforgivable sin of not accepting Jesus.

You know, I've always wondered how that worked. Suppose for a moment that God does exist (which shouldn't be too hard for you who already believe). It appears that he also gave us the skills to reason and think for ourselves. If all evidence suggests that the most logical conclusion is that there is no God at all, surely he can't blame me for not believing? He's the one that made me who I am. Since it makes no logical sense to believe in him, I don't, and indirectly it's his fault that I don't. You see what I'm getting at?

Also, really? So God forgives murderers, rapists and genocidal maniacs, but little old me who has never killed anyone, never stole anything, I am not forgiven simply because I don't accept God's existence? Forgive me, but that seems a bit silly.

Errr, wait. I just saw that you said that not accepting Jesus is an unforgivable sin. What acceptance of Jesus? As a historical figure, as a myth, as a prophet or as the son of God?

 

Posted Feb 1, '12 at 3:27pm

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Sorry for the triple post I had to get alot out.

@xAyjAy

well, not how other believe in them. who knows, maybe hell is a very very very cold place.

I highly doubt Hell being very, very cold because in the Bible it says that Hell is the fiery depths. I think.

 

Posted Feb 1, '12 at 3:29pm

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What acceptance of Jesus? As a historical figure, as a myth, as a prophet or as the son of God?

It is accepting Jesus as the son of God.

 

Posted Feb 1, '12 at 3:30pm

HahiHa

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If there was no soul then why is there many ghost and angel sightings?

Optical illusions, magnetic and neurological phenomenons, and those are only the most frequent ones. I do believe that many of the involved people really think what they experienced is true, but I do not believe that what they experienced is actually supernatural.

The reason why I don't believe in souls is because our neural system, our brain, is enough to explain character, behaviour and all that. Those are even dependent on certain brain areas, when looking at the case of Phineas Gage for example (although this case has often been exxagerated, it still is a good example). A soul, as the non-physical entity I see it, couldn't possibly be influenced by the loss of a brain area, something physical.
There have been observations pointing at a very small weight loss right after death, and many have seen in this proof of the soul leaving the body; and I seriously wonder why, because a soul should hold no weight.
Unless of course I completely misunderstood the concept.

 

Posted Feb 1, '12 at 3:36pm

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If all evidence suggests that the most logical conclusion is that there is no God at all, surely he can't blame me for not believing? He's the one that made me who I am. Since it makes no logical sense to believe in him, I don't, and indirectly it's his fault that I don't. You see what I'm getting at?

Yes but there is reasons why God exists.
Like these:

The Earth...its size is perfect. The Earth's size and corresponding gravity holds a thin layer of mostly nitrogen and oxygen gases, only extending about 50 miles above the Earth's surface. If Earth were smaller, an atmosphere would be impossible, like the planet Mercury. If Earth were larger, its atmosphere would contain free hydrogen, like Jupiter. Earth is the only known planet equipped with an atmosphere of the right mixture of gases to sustain plant, animal and human life.

The Earth is located the right distance from the sun. Consider the temperature swings we encounter, roughly -30 degrees to +120 degrees. If the Earth were any further away from the sun, we would all freeze. Any closer and we would burn up. Even a fractional variance in the Earth's position to the sun would make life on Earth impossible. The Earth remains this perfect distance from the sun while it rotates around the sun at a speed of nearly 67,000 mph. It is also rotating on its axis, allowing the entire surface of the Earth to be properly warmed and cooled every day.

And our moon is the perfect size and distance from the Earth for its gravitational pull. The moon creates important ocean tides and movement so ocean waters do not stagnate, and yet our massive oceans are restrained from spilling over across the continents.

Water...colorless, odorless and without taste, and yet no living thing can survive without it. Plants, animals and human beings consist mostly of water (about two-thirds of the human body is water). You'll see why the characteristics of water are uniquely suited to life:

It has an unusually high boiling point and freezing point. Water allows us to live in an environment of fluctuating temperature changes, while keeping our bodies a steady 98.6 degrees.

Water is a universal solvent. This property of water means that thousands of chemicals, minerals and nutrients can be carried throughout our bodies and into the smallest blood vessels.

Water is also chemically neutral. Without affecting the makeup of the substances it carries, water enables food, medicines and minerals to be absorbed and used by the body.

Water has a unique surface tension. Water in plants can therefore flow upward against gravity, bringing life-giving water and nutrients to the top of even the tallest trees.

Water freezes from the top down and floats, so fish can live in the winter.

Ninety-seven percent of the Earth's water is in the oceans. But on our Earth, there is a system designed which removes salt from the water and then distributes that water throughout the globe. Evaporation takes the ocean waters, leaving the salt, and forms clouds which are easily moved by the wind to disperse water over the land, for vegetation, animals and people. It is a system of purification and supply that sustains life on this planet, a system of recycled and reused water.

The human brain...simultaneously processes an amazing amount of information. Your brain takes in all the colors and objects you see, the temperature around you, the pressure of your feet against the floor, the sounds around you, the dryness of your mouth, even the texture of your keyboard. Your brain holds and processes all your emotions, thoughts and memories. At the same time your brain keeps track of the ongoing functions of your body like your breathing pattern, eyelid movement, hunger and movement of the muscles in your hands.

The human brain processes more than a million messages a second. Your brain weighs the importance of all this data, filtering out the relatively unimportant. This screening function is what allows you to focus and operate effectively in your world. The brain functions differently than other organs. There is an intelligence to it, the ability to reason, to produce feelings, to dream and plan, to take action, and relate to other people.

The eye...can distinguish among seven million colors. It has automatic focusing and handles an astounding 1.5 million messages simultaneously. Evolution focuses on mutations and changes from and within existing organisms. Yet evolution alone does not fully explain the initial source of the eye or the brain the start of living organisms from nonliving matter.

So God made/created all of this.

 

Posted Feb 1, '12 at 3:50pm

AgathaB

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So God made/created all of this.

That, my friend, is not evidence of God's existence. I am unsure what you meant to prove with this. Argument from design, maybe? That because everything is so perfect, it had to be designed and for it to be designed, there had to be a designer, therefore, God?

No. That's not how it works. Those are not reasons. That's a mish mash of things you can't explain to yourself so you fill in the gap with the convenient figure of God.

 
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