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Posted Mar 13, '12 at 5:13pm

zakyman

zakyman

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I dare you to claim that this is not a clear example of U.N. bias against Israel. This sort of stuff has been seen time after time after time in events like the Goldstone Report, the Zionism equals Racism vote, and the Durban Conferences. The U.N. needs to seriously reexamine what it stands for, because it has now become a sound-off board for those who wish to condemn Israel at every opportunity.

Discuss whether or not you think that the U.N. is biased against Israel.

Posted Mar 13, '12 at 6:56pm

iMogwai

iMogwai

1,755 posts

I tried to find an article about this which wasn't from an American or Israeli source, just to compare, but I couldn't find any.

Anyways, I don't think the problem was that Israel was condemned as much as that various other countries got away with it.

U.N. Women Executive Director Michelle Bachelet drew attention to the Palestinian issue, at the top of a short list of what she called “a number of important reports before us.”

Other items she listed were thematic " women hostages, women and HIV/Aids, empowerment, preventable maternal mortality and “the right to sexual and reproductive health.”

^ This shouldn't be ignored.

But then again, neither should the situation in Iran. Perhaps the reason why the U.N. is focusing on Palestine is because they know that they are responsible for creating the situation Palestine is in today by "creating" Israel after WW2.

I have no idea whatsoever for why the U.N didn't condemn Iran, and the article doesn't mention it either. I can't help but feel that the article itself was a little bit biased.

Discuss whether or not you think that the U.N. is biased against Israel.

I don't think it's a bias against Israel as much as it is a focus on the Israel/Palestine situation. It might not be fair that Israel is condemned when others are ignored, but I think it's the treatment of the others that is incorrect, rather than the treatment of Israel.

 

Posted Mar 14, '12 at 6:38am

nichodemus

nichodemus

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Yes, I dare to say that it's unbiased.

Right, so down to business on explaining how the UN is not ''biased''. So somehow, just condeming Israel for only two years is now a grave matter of partiality? Seems like someone is exaggerating quite a bit.

Of course the commision should aim to write a resolution condemning all nations who deprive their women folk of basic human rights. But that would be ineffectual if they targeted so many nations in one fell swoop, rather than focus on one. And either case, one can bring quite a strong case against why Israel has worse abuse of women than Iran. Whilst Iran might be thoroughly condemned for allowing polygamy and less opportunity to hold public office like the article mentioned, the ''vigilante'' justice, ''justice'' that smears and taints the concept itself, perpetuated by Israeli settlers is far more horrendous, with the settlers blatantly attacking and assaulting them whilst the IDF soldiers watched on. Furthermore, they have been constantly denied access to hospitals for maternal care by Israeli soldiers and the numerous road blocks in the Gaza Strip, and forced to give birth on the roads itself. If such degradation is not a far reaching violation of women's rights, then nothing is. So, are you going to compare not getting a public office job to the debasement of a woman's natural child bearing process and tell me the former is worse? Clearly the women in the Gaza Strip/West Bank are in far more need of help than those in Iran.

Let's also get this straight. The UN condemns Israel frequently, because Israel has shocking cases of state-backed terrorism; it should do more to condemn Hamas, but that doesn't mean that it stop the frequency of its resolutions towards Israel. 

Next salient point. Israel is roundly condemned worldwide because of world opinion, not because the UN is impartial. This is the third time I'm going to explain this. The UN is composed of the nearly 200 sovereign states in the world, and 3/4 of them are against Israel and its actions on many fronts. Hence, the number of resolutions against Israel is naturally going to be high. Is this a sign of bias? If it is to you, then the introduction of a gay-marriage bill because the the majority of an electorate supports it, is biased too. There is no worldwide anti-Zionist conspiracy in the UN that is determined to make life difficult for Israel at every turn. Each individual nation has a right to put forth its opinions, and when the majority of them hold a view contrary to yours, are you going to call it impartial and unfair? If it is, then, welcome to the concept of democracy, which people usually say is a good thing.

And this would have been better placed in the main Israel thread.

 

Posted Mar 14, '12 at 10:01am

thepunisher93

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Clearly the women in the Gaza Strip/West Bank are in far more need of help than those in Iran.

Correction
Citizens of Gaza Strip/West Bank are in far more need of help than those in Iran.
As for rest, I Agree with Niko.

 

Posted Mar 14, '12 at 10:10am

nichodemus

nichodemus

10,532 posts

Correction
Citizens of Gaza Strip/West Bank are in far more need of help than those in Iran.
As for rest, I Agree with Niko.

Well, the focus was on women, so I only mentioned the women, but yes, agreed.

 

Posted Mar 14, '12 at 11:22am

nichodemus

nichodemus

10,532 posts

Anyway, while we're on it, is the UN really biased against Israel? I think not.

Just one small example; Israel has been allowed into the United Nations Development Program (UNDP), an influential UN agency with a billion-dollar budget, giving Israel a voice in setting UNDP's agenda and resource allocation. The ability for Israel to even be eligible and get into the UNDP is due to it being placed wrongly and inaccurately in one of the UN's unofficial regional group, the Western European and Other Group, rather than the Middle Eastern group to which it should belong to. US pushing for Israel's membership gave it a seat, and thus allowed it as a member of the WEOG group more access to other UN bodies, such as the UN Commission on International Trade Law.

And this is but a little sample of how, as the tongue in cheek reference goes, Great Satan has helped Israel in the UN, disproportionately. The US has a much disproportionate voice in the UN, and this has saved Israel multiple times, and given it much support that would otherwise in a truly fair system, not happen.

For example(Just one out of a laundry list), U.S. engagement at the UN, allowed the U.S. to fight against the Arab League-sponsored Israeli Nuclear Capabilities resolution at last year's IAEA general conference, which would have called on Israel to join the Non-Proliferation Treaty.

To be sure, the UN Human Rights Council is often 'blatantly, horribly anti-Israel, and incredibly dysfunctional,' as one U.S. diplomat described it. But U.S. efforts have ensured that, in its most recent session, no resolutions were adopted under the council's Israel-specific agenda item. In March 2011, the US prevented six anti-Israel resolutions from unanimously passing the council.

Is it even fair that the US and Israel has constantly thrown spikes at the feet of the PLO and prevented it from even getting a seat to voice its own opinion? So the US and Israel can have a voice, yet the Palestinians cannot? Talk about being biased.

So is the UN actually biased against Israel when only the US and a handful of allies are the ones preventing much to be done about the conflict? Or is it biased when the majority (3/4) of the world is against Israel's actions, yet is prevented from taking action repeatedly?

Do the math yourself.

impartial

Change all to Partial*

 

Posted Mar 14, '12 at 4:54pm

zakyman

zakyman

1,588 posts

You might want to hold your tongue until you read these articles...

http://blog.syracuse.com/opinion/2012/0 … anti-.html

http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_faq_pa … l_bias.php

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nat … ution_3379

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel,_Pa … ed_Nations

Israel has been banned from participating in its rightful U.N. group by anti-Zionist Arab countries.

The U.N. declared that Zionism-the want for a Jewish nation-is equal to racism.

The Goldstone Report was a sham. The charter commissioning the report did not ask the mission to find facts, it asked it to simply back up allegations that had been put forth. Israel was guilty before being given a chance to defend herself.

One of the members even wrote a letter expressing her opinion before the mission began!!! The mission refused to exclude her even though there was precedent for that before.

But that would be ineffectual if they targeted so many nations in one fell swoop, rather than focus on one.

So then why is all the focus on Israel? Time after time after time, the U.N. has not failed to prove its bias, be it the Goldstone Report (see above) or the Durban Conference.

The ability for Israel to even be eligible and get into the UNDP is due to it being placed wrongly and inaccurately in one of the UN's unofficial regional group, the Western European and Other Group, rather than the Middle Eastern group to which it should belong to. US pushing for Israel's membership gave it a seat, and thus allowed it as a member of the WEOG group more access to other UN bodies, such as the UN Commission on International Trade Law.

You fail to mention that the reason Israel is not in her rightful group is because ARAB COUNTRIES block her from joining!!! You cannot condemn Israel for the bias of her neighbors.

So is the UN actually biased against Israel when only the US and a handful of allies are the ones preventing much to be done about the conflict?

No, but it's biased when more resolutions are passed about Israel than Darfur, more resolutions are passed than about Syria, more than about human rights violations in Libya, and more than about women's rights in Saudi Arabia. The U.N. obsesses over Israel and it distracts them from the real work they should be doing.

So the US and Israel can have a voice, yet the Palestinians cannot? Talk about being biased.

Note the name. United Nations, and the last I checked, the Palestinians don't have a nation, nor should they ever until they can drop their weapons and sit down at the table. Israel is waiting.

 

Posted Mar 14, '12 at 6:21pm

thepunisher93

thepunisher93

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The Goldstone Report was a sham.

No wonder Israel have tried to deny such brutal actions.
Some clips from UNESCO documents

Deplores, with grave concern, the failure of the Government of Israel to comply
with paragraph 7 of 83 EX/Decisions, 4. 2. 3 and physically admit all the textbooks
approved by the Director-General of Unesco into the occupied territories for distribution
and use in the UNRWA/Unesco schools;
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84 EX/Decisions - page 16
8. Reiterates its earnest call upon the Government of Israel to authorize, within the
shortest possible time, the admittance of all textbooks approved by the Director-
General into the occupied territories for distribution and use in the schools therein;

Paragraph 4. 2.3 is

4. 2.3 Co-operation with the United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA)
(83 EX/8 and Add. )
The Executive Board,
1. Having examined the Director-General’s report on co-operation with the
United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) (83 EX/8 and Add. ) ,
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83 EX/Decisions - page 13
2. Recalling its previous decisions on this question and in particular decision
4. 2.5 adopted at its 82nd session,
3.
4.
Having heard the debate,
Commends the Director-General on the measures he has taken to implement
the said decision:
5. Regrets the failure to import and put to use in the UNRWA/Unesco schools
in the occupied territories the textbooks approved by the Director-General;
6 Asks the Director-General to request the UNRWA authorities not to use
in the UNRWA/Unesco schools the textbooks indicated as unacceptable by
him;
7. Urgently calls upon the Government of Israel to remove immediately any
obstacles to the import and use of the textbooks approved by the Director-
General in the UNRWA/Unesco schools in the occupied territories so that
the textbooks would be in practical use in the said schools as early as possible
in the present scholastic year;
8 Asks the Director-General in the event of the Government of Israel failing
to comply with paragraph 7 of this resolution to report urgently to the
Board, so that the Board may reconsider the whole situation;
9 Asks the Director-General to report to the Executive Board at its next
session on the application of this resolution.

The problem with people like you is that their mind is like always in "with me or against me" stance and never admit their mistake.

 

Posted Mar 14, '12 at 6:30pm

zakyman

zakyman

1,588 posts

No wonder Israel have tried to deny such brutal actions.
Some clips from UNESCO documents

How does denying access to textbooks in anyway relate to an international report which falsely placed almost all of the blame on Israel for the deaths of civilians?

The problem with people like you is that their mind is like always in "with me or against me" stance and never admit their mistake.

I have never ever claimed that Israel is always right! I disagree with many of the things they do, however it is completely unfair how Israel can be kicked through the mud in what is supposed to be a peace-promoting body!

 

Posted Mar 14, '12 at 6:59pm

thepunisher93

thepunisher93

1,747 posts

How does denying access to textbooks in anyway relate to an international report which falsely placed almost all of the blame on Israel for the deaths of civilians?

It does not, I just showing that they are trying to change pals culture

I have never ever claimed that Israel is always right! I disagree with many of the things they do, however it is completely unfair how Israel can be kicked through the mud in what is supposed to be a peace-promoting body!

I never read any of your post admitting their fault.

 

Posted Mar 14, '12 at 7:25pm

zakyman

zakyman

1,588 posts

I never read any of your post admitting their fault.

That's because there are none on this thread. I have criticized Israel for many of their more brash actions, however I am and will remain an ardent supporter.

It does not, I just showing that they are trying to change pals culture

How would it change their culture? You're losing me on this...

 
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