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Posted Jun 8, '12 at 9:11pm

Salvidian

Salvidian

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An attempt to end bullying is just another passing fad. Truthfully, it will never end because it can't end. It's just our human nature to desire to bully. Bullies have existed since th beginning of time. Is it nice? No. Is it right? No. Is it natural? Undebatebly.

 

Posted Jun 8, '12 at 9:55pm

dair5

dair5

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....Why do you know why it happens then?

Because I've seen it. The story about the girl I wrote, that was an example.

So why should she care what a bunch of random people think about her, again?

Because they aren't just random strangers. They aren't people she will meet on line at the supermarket who happened to be a little rude. These are people she needs to deal with at least 5 days a week for 8 hours. She can't just quit school, she can't just pretend to not hear what they say. At some point she probably liked some of them before they were mean to her. 

Go home and play on the computer? That is probably the most logical thing to do, not kill yourself. Out of curiosity, what would you do?

I'd probably be very upset and get counseling.

It is called a mental disorder because it isn't something most people have. That is what a disorder is. It is weakness if they simply give in, if it is do to the way they are born they can hardly help it. The chemically unbalanced have an excuse, otherwise it is just weakness.

So what you're saying is that people should just deal with these disorders? I'd assume that since it is a disorder you'd want be to get help to smooth things out. Or I guess we could just let them fend for themselves. Survival of the fittest right?

"Kids are making fun of me at school mommy. Go and slap them!" How simple is that? You don't exactly have to be close to the parents to say that?

There are plenty of parents whose response to that would be "Shhh! Later, later I'm watching this show." Not all parents would do as much as you think they would for their kid. Or they might just tell their kid to suck it up. Or maybe the kid doesn't even like their parent enough to be able to confront them on an issue like that.

Wait...You not only where offended by "offensive things"...But you are so weak that you are brought to your knees by something not even meant to be offensive?

Why is it that you have such a dislike for "weak" people? And what I find even stranger is that these are kids we're talking about. Would you really call a kid whose suicidal a coward because he feels hurt from bullying? And what would calling him a coward do exactly? Do you think it's going to make him rethink his ways and start a new and better life?

Then I will continue to laugh at you weak people, who's kriptonite is words.

Are you just unable to understand the pain because they're different from you? Because it hurts them, and you think that it's okay. As if it's okay to intentionally hurt someone. People are affected by things differently, what is a weakness to one may not be a weakness to another. Let's say you were scared of snakes, should that mean that it's okay for a snake trainer to watch and laugh while snakes (not leathal) slither on you? No, it's just insensitive. Just because he doesn't understand you pain, he considers you weak and laughs at you. That's pretty similar to what you're doing here.

Then they are weak if they can not brush off such weak assaults as words.

And an MMA fighter can call you weak for not being able to brush off such weak assults as punches from a regular man. Is that right?

 

Posted Jun 8, '12 at 10:50pm

EmperorPalpatine

EmperorPalpatine

4,971 posts

Wait. So keeping a high self esteem helps you ignore it. Keeping a low self esteem helps you ignore it. So everyone can ignore it then?

Keeping a high self esteem seems like the more common and accepted path (society pushes it at least) because it's easy to overvalue yourself and you feel good as long as it lasts, but it gets crushed if you don't have anything to back it up. That's partly what leads to depression and such because that's the part that 'hurts'. If you know exactly who and what you are and are ok with yourself, you've already wiped out all the self-hype and there's really nothing left for an opponent to attack.

Do you think it's going to make him rethink his ways and start a new and better life?

It worked for me.

 

Posted Jun 8, '12 at 11:33pm

314d1

314d1

3,510 posts

Because I've seen it. The story about the girl I wrote, that was an example.

Who was made fun of by her friends?

Because they aren't just random strangers. They aren't people she will meet on line at the supermarket who happened to be a little rude. These are people she needs to deal with at least 5 days a week for 8 hours. She can't just quit school, she can't just pretend to not hear what they say. At some point she probably liked some of them before they were mean to her. 

Then nonrandom strangers. They are just strangers, no matter how long they spend together, they are just random people who really don't matter. Why would their opinion matter?

I'd probably be very upset and get counseling.

Your therapist would hate you, wouldn't he? I don't see how that would be much better.

So what you're saying is that people should just deal with these disorders? I'd assume that since it is a disorder you'd want be to get help to smooth things out.

It is a disorder the same way necrophilia is a mental disorder, it is simply something that is not considered normal for the culture your living in. It is not a disease, it is just a state of mind that most people don't like.

Or I guess we could just let them fend for themselves. Survival of the fittest right?

If you want to try to make them stronger, go right ahead. Not much is gained from letting them kill themselves.

There are plenty of parents whose response to that would be "Shhh! Later, later I'm watching this show." Not all parents would do as much as you think they would for their kid.

What do I think they will do, exactly? They can't raise a toe to help, really.

Why is it that you have such a dislike for "weak" people?

Why not? Is it wrong to be disgusted when someone wants to kill themselves over what someone said?

And what I find even stranger is that these are kids we're talking about.

Do you know what kids have to go threw in other parts of the world? There are child soldiers. There are starving children. There are sex slaves. And do you know what these children do? They do an amazing thing. They survive. They continue living, few even think of killing themselves. But these middle class and upper class kids? They are called a name and think of killing themselves. They are cowards, with all the hell children go threw in poor continents, a man who is a king compared to them thinks that his life is not worth living. It is pathetic.

Would you really call a kid whose suicidal a coward because he feels hurt from bullying?

I think I just did. Several times, in fact.

And what would calling him a coward do exactly? Do you think it's going to make him rethink his ways and start a new and better life?

No more than anything you post will change my mind, right?

Are you just unable to understand the pain because they're different from you?

How are they different from me, exactly?

Because it hurts them, and you think that it's okay.

It isn't that much hurting, exactly. It is just words. Words don't hurt.

People are affected by things differently, what is a weakness to one may not be a weakness to another.

Yes it is. If you can not defeat things that everyone else can defeat, especially when you have advantages they don't, your weak.

Let's say you were scared of snakes, should that mean that it's okay for a snake trainer to watch and laugh while snakes (not leathal) slither on you?

If you where scared of snakes, why in hell would you know a snake trainer?

No, it's just insensitive. Just because he doesn't understand you pain, he considers you weak and laughs at you. That's pretty similar to what you're doing here.

At the very least, there is probably a reason they are afraid of snakes. Snakes are a physical being, and something that humanity has feared for years. This is just words, not any phobia that you could have, but something I could type at this moment.

And an MMA fighter can call you weak for not being able to brush off such weak assults as punches from a regular man. Is that right?

Perhaps, depending on how strong everyone else is. If everyone else was able to easily absorb the punches, I would be weak. Which in this case, with billions upon billions being able to withstand this threat of words, if you are unable to your are weak.

Keeping a high self esteem seems like the more common and accepted path (society pushes it at least) because it's easy to overvalue yourself and you feel good as long as it lasts, but it gets crushed if you don't have anything to back it up. That's partly what leads to depression and such because that's the part that 'hurts'. If you know exactly who and what you are and are ok with yourself, you've already wiped out all the self-hype and there's really nothing left for an opponent to attack.

I suppose it is an interesting strategy. I guess if you have nothing to tear down, you can't really get lower. You can't attack a city that is not there.

It worked for me.

Really? Does everyone on this ****ed forum have a depression in their past?

 

Posted Jun 8, '12 at 11:50pm

EmperorPalpatine

EmperorPalpatine

4,971 posts

Really? Does everyone on this ****ed forum have a depression in their past?

Probably. At least I snapped out of it and realized that I needed to make a change in my outlook.

 

Posted Jun 8, '12 at 11:54pm

BoredMartian

BoredMartian

276 posts

Bullying is a bad thing to do is that clear mkay

 

Posted Jun 8, '12 at 11:59pm

EmperorPalpatine

EmperorPalpatine

4,971 posts

Bullying is a bad thing to do is that clear mkay

It certainly builds character if you take it the right way.

 

Posted Jun 9, '12 at 12:03am

EmperorPalpatine

EmperorPalpatine

4,971 posts

Adding to that, think of it like drill instructors in the military. Their words are usually abusive and would certainly qualify as bullying, but people volunteer to get shouted at for weeks because in the end it helps.

 

Posted Jun 9, '12 at 2:00am

dair5

dair5

2,479 posts

Do you know what kids have to go threw in other parts of the world? There are child soldiers. There are starving children. There are sex slaves. And do you know what these children do? They do an amazing thing. They survive. They continue living, few even think of killing themselves. But these middle class and upper class kids? They are called a name and think of killing themselves. They are cowards, with all the hell children go threw in poor continents, a man who is a king compared to them thinks that his life is not worth living. It is pathetic.

So money buys happiness? Not love, not support, none of that? Because that's the feeling I get here. Yes, the kids are usally born into fairly fortunate families, but just having money shouldn't mean that you will be happy. Besides, I don't consider the ones who kill themselves weak, so much as I consider the ones who survive very strong. Tell me, if most of those kids survive even after going trough all that pain, is it fair for me to call the rare one who commits suicide a coward? After all, everyone else could deal with all that pain. If they could deal with it, then that one kid who couldn't must have been weak right?

And you really understate the amount of bullying they recieve. No one just meets a random stranger on the street who said something rude and decided to kill themselves. Before they do they are often depressed for a long time. Months, years, and they don't see their life getting any better. They really don't want to live the kind of life where there is no love and as far as they can see never will be. (At least that's my guess) It's probably a lot worse considering they're willing to die over it.

It isn't that much hurting, exactly. It is just words. Words don't hurt.

Words don't hurt you. But words hurt other people, and it's not their fault that they're hurt by words. No one chooses to be hurt by words, that wouldn't even make any sense. Please understand that words hurt some more than others and that it's just because they're different, not because they're weak people who deserve to be mocked at laughed at and put through more pain. Not knowing someone's pain is not a good excuse to laugh at their pain. It's also why I brought up the snake scenario. So, ignoring the fact that you're afraid of snakes and know a snake trainer, does this scenario make you weak? Or does it make the other person seem stronger?

 

Posted Jun 9, '12 at 5:08am

HahiHa

HahiHa

4,943 posts

Knight

Which is weakness, is it not?

Sensitiveness. Is it a reason to be made fun of? Not in my opinion.

Wait...You not only where offended by "offensive things"...But you are so weak that you are brought to your knees by something not even meant to be offensive?

What I meant is when someone says something offensive in a friendly way, or casual way, like people do. And I thought it was meant seriously, and not as a stupid comment. Maybe because I was used to the latter more then the first. Sort of induced paranoia, you know.
And no, I was never brought to my knees by words, nor did they actually hurt me, but it drags you down over time and makes you avoid people. You understand that or you gonna again tear my point into ridiculness and make fun of it?

Oh no! I am apparently bullying someone with words! Not words in real life, of course, but words on a computer screen! How will the poor sap live with himself, after a random guy on the internet BULLIED him? Quickly, call the ambulance! This man's emotions have been damaged!

Again, instead of actually discussing something, you make it look ridiculous. The only one in this thread saying 'call the ambulance' are you.

Then they are weak, if they know what to do but are incapable.

Again, why is this a reason to make even more fun of them? A little help might already, well, help...

Or, you know, you could simply ignore the weak, as you do so wonderfully with the strong?

 
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