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Obama the Antichrist?

Posted May 28, '12 at 12:44am

samy

samy

5,043 posts

911 little reason? dont think so, but anyway back to the obama thing


It was one event, his decision was rash and extremely expensive.

The rumor probly came from the thing where he made the all church's who have paid staff have the birth controll stuff, increasing the cost of haveing paid staff on hand. and he wanted to make it manditory for everyone, no matter the personal values/religios beliefs.


First of all, no. People have been claiming that he's the Antichrist since he first received national attention.

Second of all, no. The law does not apply to most churches and to some religious schools. It does, however, apply to organizations such as religious hospitals and universities. But why shouldn't it?
Remember your opinion of the actual law is unimportant here, we aren't discussing it's legality. Rather, we're looking at what organizations it should apply to. In organizations that hire individuals outside of their own religion, the choice as to whether their employees should be given coverage for birth control should not lie with their employer. That's an unprecedented amount of control given to the business owner and, quite frankly, has nothing to do with religious freedom. No one is being forced to take the birth control, and the insurance companies will get in touch with the employee independently, the employer is taken out of the equation almost entirely.

Real big believer in rights? Not so much...


He passed this countries first ever universal healthcare mandate, a believer in the right to health. He is the first president to require companies to provide birth control, the right to more reproductive freedom. He is the first president to come out in favor of gays serving openly in the military, freedom to serves ones country. He is the first president to come out openly in favor of gay marriage, freedom to express love. He reversed laws limiting stem cell research, freedom of scientific investigation. He has pushed for better federal funding of colleges and universities, freedom of education. Cut taxes for middle class families and small business, freedom to thrive on ones own merit and work.

Again, it doesn't matter if you support any of these things. The above examples show that he does support rights and while I'm sure you could find examples that he doesn't, you're still going to need to revise your post.
 

Posted May 28, '12 at 11:02am

Krill11

Krill11

99 posts

we aren't discussing it's legality

Umm, why not? first off, he is basicly forcing them to provide birth controll, causing the price of each employee to skyrocket, thus creating less jobs.

Oh, the health care is causing some major issues. Most people will not work if they can get by with how they are, so more people in their mothers basements refusing to get a gob and working the system. but of course there will be always somebody working the system, but quite frankly, this will create more avalable ways for that to happen.

Cut taxes for middle class families and small business, freedom to thrive on ones own merit and work.
freedom to thrive and to work, but most people will choose to not work.
 

Posted May 28, '12 at 11:58am

samy

samy

5,043 posts

Umm, why not?


Because your complaint was that religious organizations were being required to provide birth control, and had nothing to do with the healthcare law in general.

causing the price of each employee to skyrocket


Source or it didn't happen.

Common sense isn't a source by the way.

Oh, the health care is causing some major issues. Most people will not work if they can get by with how they are, so more people in their mothers basements refusing to get a gob and working the system. but of course there will be always somebody working the system, but quite frankly, this will create more avalable ways for that to happen.


I'm not even sure what you're talking about here, but, again, sources please. Your're making bold, statistical, statements and not backing them up.

freedom to thrive and to work, but most people will choose to not work.


Again, no. We have an unemployment rate of 8.1% which means that over 90% of our workforce does work. Source.
 

Posted May 28, '12 at 11:59am

HahiHa

HahiHa

5,260 posts

Knight

Umm, why not? first off, he is basicly forcing them to provide birth controll, causing the price of each employee to skyrocket, thus creating less jobs.

He is giving the employees more rights, and I don't think that the costs will actually skyrocket, out of two considerations:
- are contraceptives really that expensive?
- how many employees will actually use the offer? Remember the employers have to provide the stuff on demand, not buy for all employees and distribute them.

Oh, the health care is causing some major issues. Most people will not work if they can get by with how they are, so more people in their mothers basements refusing to get a gob and working the system. but of course there will be always somebody working the system, but quite frankly, this will create more avalable ways for that to happen.

Such sysems are always attractive to abuse, but if the system lets ways open to be misused, that would be a minor issue within the system (as the people in need still get helped) and not a major issue worth overthrowing the whole thing. If the system is being misused severely, then you must modify it. We got the same problems here but with the correct guidelines and restrictions instored more abuses were declared (and hopefully less gone undetected).

freedom to thrive and to work, but most people will choose to not work.

Ah, here again you suddenly don't like freedom and rights anymore..
 

Posted May 29, '12 at 12:21pm

macfan1

macfan1

442 posts

Obama the Antichrist?


Possibly, but I don't really think so. He is paving the way for the antichrist. Though, sometimes he seems like him.

I thought this was about Obama being the antichrist. Not another debate if he is good or not.
 

Posted May 29, '12 at 12:25pm

nichodemus

nichodemus

13,243 posts

Knight

Possibly, but I don't really think so. He is paving the way for the antichrist. Though, sometimes he seems like him.

I thought this was about Obama being the antichrist. Not another debate if he is good or not.


Totally. A man who spent his life as a Christian suddenly morphs into the Anti-Christ.
 

Posted May 29, '12 at 12:29pm

Kasic

Kasic

5,734 posts

Possibly,


Really? -1 point.

but I don't really think so.


Well, that's good. + 1 point

He is paving the way for the antichrist.


-10 points.

Though, sometimes he seems like him.


-3 points.

Congrats, your rationality score is -13 points.

What makes you think that Obama -may- be the Anti-Christ? What makes you think that even if he is not that he is paving the way for him? Last, how do you know if anyone is "like" the Anti-Christ if he hasn't come yet?
 

Posted May 29, '12 at 12:35pm

HahiHa

HahiHa

5,260 posts

Knight

He is paving the way for the antichrist. Though, sometimes he seems like him.

May I ask, out of curiosity, for your more detailed opinion about
- what, of the things he did, do pave the way for the antichrist?
- in what way does he seem like the antichrist to you sometimes?
 

Posted May 31, '12 at 12:01am

macfan1

macfan1

442 posts

A man who spent his life as a Christian suddenly morphs into the Anti-Christ.


WTF! Obama isn't a Christian- he's a muslim! (that's a different subject)

Congrats, your rationality score is -13 points.


WTF, you made that up. Stop.

What makes you think that Obama -may- be the Anti-Christ?


MAY


May I ask, out of curiosity, for your more detailed opinion about
- what, of the things he did, do pave the way for the antichrist?
- in what way does he seem like the antichrist to you sometimes?


For his big government ideas (the antichrist will be leader of an evil one world government). He acts like a dictator. Also, we have the technology to monitor everyone (mark of the beast). If you want to know more of what the tribulation and the antichrist, maybe you should read some books in the Left Behind series.
 

Posted May 31, '12 at 12:38am

nichodemus

nichodemus

13,243 posts

Knight

WTF! Obama isn't a Christian- he's a muslim! (that's a different subject)


We have proved so many times that he is Muslim. I don't know if you're really thick or just pretending. Even the Reps admit he IS Christian, by bringing up the damaging comments of his old pastor.


Wait......we has a PASTOR? OH TEH NOES!


He acts like a dictator.


He doesn't. He is nowhere in the pantheon of Hitler, Mao, Stalin. I know you hate him, but labelling him as a dictator is stepping across the line.

Also, we have the technology to monitor everyone (mark of the beast)


Bush initiated it. So why isn't HE the Anti-Christ in your view?
 
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