Let's bring up a different slice of abortion pie.
Sexual Responsibility vs. freedom, and the Constitution
The basic gist of the US constitution is that you are allowed to do whatever you want as long as you dont interfere with the choices/actions of others and negatively impact them. Any act of oppression is therefore a crime; why do you think they abolished slavery? Cause the blacks were having their choices and actions oppressed!
Now let's tie this to abortion. By forcing pro-life, you are depriving women of a choice. Some argue that an abortion infringes upon the life rights of the unborn. But that unborn fetus can't talk, can barely think, can barely respond whatsoever. Go ahead and try to communicate with an unborn child. Nothing. I consider life to start when you're able to communicate, weather in baby goo goo ga ga's or what. Until then, no.
Therefore, I believe that until birth, or at least until the brain is developed enough, a fetus is only half-living like a virus. So it's not murder, in my eyes.
Even so, abortions are delicate procedures. Instead of getting pregnant and then having an abortion, women should avoid getting pregnant in the first place. It's less resistance, and easier. Just use protection or just hold off on doing the nasty until you're sure you want to have a baby. THEN go ahead.

Even so, abortions are delicate procedures. Instead of getting pregnant and then having an abortion, women should avoid getting pregnant in the first place. It's less resistance, and easier. Just use protection or just hold off on doing the nasty until you're sure you want to have a baby. THEN go ahead.

The problem here arises when those who are against abortion are also against any form of comprehensive sex education.

The problem here arises when those who are against abortion are also against any form of comprehensive sex education.

Paradox, V2.

Is it so hard to bow to the idea that is completely, utterly, entirely up to the WOMAN?! No one has any right to infringe on choice, as Epic said!

You must understand how people come from, how they are brought up. The cultures vary, for example if you grow up in a Roman Catholic family, even contraceptives are frowned upon. At the risk of gross generalization, devout Catholics are brought up to believe in the complete sanctity of life, which leads to their strict viewpoints.  Is it wrong? To us yes. To them no.

Ignorance on any matter is in my opinion wrong. I personally am a scientific man, and heartily believe in reason and method, as well as just knowing lots of stuff. Therefore, I endorse comprehensive sex ed. Knowing is growing!

Is it so hard to bow to the idea that is completely, utterly, entirely up to the WOMAN?! No one has any right to infringe on choice, as Epic said!

So, what if the father wants the child, but the mother doesn't? Does the mother still have the right to get an abortion?

But that unborn fetus can't talk, can barely think, can barely respond whatsoever...Nothing. I consider life to start when you're able to communicate...So it's not murder, in my eyes.

By your argument here...severely mentally retarded people that are unable to communicate are in the same category. So, by your argument, killing them would not be murder

So, what if the father wants the child, but the mother doesn't? Does the mother still have the right to get an abortion?

ofcourse.
it's about the womans body. not the mans body.
if the man wants a child so badly then he needs to seek for a girl that want a child and not force a girl to have a child.

but this barely ever happens.
it toke me years to find a nice caring girl that does not want to have a child.
i think atleast 95% of the woman do want a child sometime in their life.
it's more often that the woman want the child but the man doesn't.
then they break up and those nasty stories about father left us befor you were born come to light.

I believe it is. Foetuses (not a misspelling, just the way Brits spell it) are unconscious. And there are people who get *****, and they should certainly have a right. Besides, if people really want one, they'll go into a dark alley and get it ripped out of them with dirty tools under drug-store grade painkillers. Under PARACETAMOL! Surely it's better to do it in a hospital, with spotless tools, safely asleep and unmoving? Surely? And here I quote:

Is it so hard to bow to the idea that is completely, utterly, entirely up to the WOMAN?! No one has any right to infringe on choice, as Epic said!

I believe it is. Foetuses (not a misspelling, just the way Brits spell it) are unconscious. And there are people who get *****, and they should certainly have a right. Besides, if people really want one, they'll go into a dark alley and get it ripped out of them with dirty tools under drug-store grade painkillers. Under PARACETAMOL! Surely it's better to do it in a hospital, with spotless tools, safely asleep and unmoving? Surely? And here I quote:

You could melt an ice-fortress heart, you could! :')
A new player in the game, folks. And a logical one.

By your argument here...severely mentally retarded people that are unable to communicate are in the same category. So, by your argument, killing them would not be murder

I think he means to make sound. Mentally disabled folk are generally able to cry out, or thrash around.