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Posted Jan 3, '13 at 11:04am

Masterforger

Masterforger

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in the Decrulation of Independence one of our rights is the right to llife born or unborn so all the babies should live.

I don't know about you, but I seriously doubt that the Founding Fathers knew about abortion. So, batten your hatch and look back one the previous 50 pages before saying anything

 

Posted Jan 3, '13 at 11:13am

nichodemus

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Knight

There has always been abortion, just nothing on the scale today, due to technology making leaps and bounds in the field.

 

Posted Jan 3, '13 at 11:27am

Masterforger

Masterforger

1,633 posts

There has always been abortion, just nothing on the scale today, due to technology making leaps and bounds in the field.

Ad it certainly was not as easy, no?

 

Posted Jan 3, '13 at 11:30am

nichodemus

nichodemus

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Knight

Does easiness actually have any bearing on whether the founding fathers were privy to such an act?

 

Posted Jan 3, '13 at 12:19pm

EmperorPalpatine

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in the Decrulation of Independence one of our rights is the right to llife born or unborn so all the babies should live.

Where does it mention this? It says all men are created equal and have rights. Back then, men meant white and land-owning.

but I seriously doubt that the Founding Fathers knew about abortion.

With how much Ben Franklin did with the ladies, I'd guess the subject came up more than once.

There were laws in England regarding the issue (this was back when sometimes f meant s or other letters, so it seems a bit odd):
"1. LIFE is the immediate gift of God, a right inherent by nature in every individual ; and it begins in contemplation of law as foon as an infant is able to ftir in the mother's womb. For if a woman is quick with child, and by a potion, or otherwife, killeth it in her womb ; or if any one beat her, whereby the child dieth in her body, and fhe is delivered of a dead child ; this, though not murder, was by the antient law homicide or manflaughter."
"atrocious a light, though it remains a very heinous mifdemefnor"
So it was a misdemeanor, but only after movement began, because for them, life didn't legally start at conception.

 

Posted Jan 3, '13 at 4:33pm

Getoffmydangle

Getoffmydangle

148 posts

I realize this is probably preaching to the choir, since (based on a sample of spelling and grammar) the anti-abortion crew isn't likely to do much extra reading...
But I wanted to share this link and this one
I hope those links work, I'm not that savvy. 
These posts help illustrate the hypocrisy in the "prolife" movement.  Really they are not pro-life, the are pro-birth. 
A genuine interest in reducing abortion would include a massive push for increased birth control.   But do we see that from the pro-birth crowd?  NO!
Second, If they were, in fact, "pro-life" you would be against the death penalty (different thread), and overwhelmingly supportive of social programs that ensure the health, well-being, education, and quality of life of all children.  But the pro-birth crowd are generally opposed to all of those things.  They want small government, except for when it comes to regulating a woman's internal organs.  I call bullspit on that.  To demand that all potential births happen, but to essentially abandon them when they turn into actual people is not pro-life, it is pro-birth!

 

Posted Jan 3, '13 at 4:38pm

Getoffmydangle

Getoffmydangle

148 posts

I also forgot to link this New York Times article from the second link in my last post.  Basically, abortion rates are similar in countries where it is legal or illegal.  The main difference being they are very much safer in countries where it is legal. 
So the argument about whether it is morally "ok" to have an abortion is fine, but to outlaw it is harmful to the country and does nothing to save the lives of unborn babies.

 

Posted Jan 3, '13 at 6:16pm

MageGrayWolf

MageGrayWolf

9,667 posts

Knight

in the Decrulation of Independence one of our rights is the right to llife born or unborn so all the babies should live.

Perhaps you would like to point out exactly where it makes this specification on the right to life?
http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charte … cript.html

There has always been abortion, just nothing on the scale today, due to technology making leaps and bounds in the field.

I would think the number of people in existence today would play more of a factor. There are more people on the planet now then at any other time in history.

 

Posted Jan 3, '13 at 6:30pm

Kasic

Kasic

5,570 posts

Perhaps you would like to point out exactly where it makes this specification on the right to life?

I'm guessing it's in the "I pulled this statement out of my arse" clause, or the "I don't know what I'm talking about" clause.

Both are commonly cited by politicians.

 

Posted Jan 9, '13 at 1:08am

Bobthebest

Bobthebest

28 posts

Second, If they were, in fact, "pro-life" you would be against the death penalty

That's not what being "pro-life" refers to. And not everyone agrees with the death penalty.

Really they are not pro-life, the are pro-birth.

This is what it refers to. However, pro-life makes more sense because those who are pro-life, me included, consider the baby/fetus and life. And thus, should not be taken.

 
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