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is abortion ok?

Posted Jun 11, '12 at 7:20pm

MageGrayWolf

MageGrayWolf

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Knight

If you burn down the frame of a house that's being constructed you will still have destroyed any chance of that exact house ever again existing. Just because it wasn't a house then doesn't mean it ever would be.

It wold be like the owner of the property the house is being built on who already has a house built there stopping the construction. Either because they simply don't want that house on their property and/or because it's construction puts the current house that's there at risk.

One has to put into consideration the human that already exists into the equation as well. Far to often anti-abortion forgets about the preexisting consciousness solely focusing on the potential consciousness and often forgetting about it again once it's born.

It still has the potential of becoming a human, and undeniably will become a human. Yes there's a natural chance it will miscarry but that's part of nature itself. Saying an intentional abortion and a natural miscarriage are essentially the same is absurd. You might as well be justifying murder because some people die of natural causes, therefore killing someone is just the same.

As you pointed out it is not a sure thing that the embryo will grow into a human. 1 in 5 pregnancies end in miscarriage usually before the 12th week. (If you believe in God having influence over naturally occurring deaths, this would mean God is responsible for far more abortions  than all the one preformed by humans combined and preformed further out then most done by humans.)

But even so the very act of producing that one life killed millions of potential humans in that process.

It doesn't matter if it's not human then, it will be.

might be...

Its like making new immigrants immune to the law because they aren't citizens yet.

Poor analogy as even immigrants have achieved personhood.

Then it's not even murder. An embryo has no heartbeat, no brain function, so therefore it's not alive, so you're not killing anything.

Have to disagree, it is most definitely alive. Though it does lack personhood.

Why would it be morally objectionable? Radical feminists view it as a showing of how women can have total control over their own body, claiming it as an essential part of not suppressing their rights.

I've heard of some women who plan to have an abortion ahead of time instead of taking precautions to prevent getting pregnant in the first place. I will agree that this is an abuse of a necessary system. But I don't think it's enough to shut the system down.

 

Posted Jul 23, '12 at 5:37pm

Wifle24

Wifle24

34 posts

i think only in cases of r@pe, abortion is okay or if the (couple) or (family) can't provide for themselves and there would be baby.And i think Pro-abortion peoples{under any circumstance)view would change if they were the fetus being aborted.

 

Posted Jul 23, '12 at 5:51pm

Bladerunner679

Bladerunner679

1,343 posts

i think only in cases of r@pe, abortion is okay or if the (couple) or (family) can't provide for themselves and there would be baby.And i think Pro-abortion peoples{under any circumstance)view would change if they were the fetus being aborted.

this kinda reminds me of a george carlin quote: "why do we care about the sanctity of life? because we are alive...therefore the view is biased from the beginning."

in this case, it isn't alive yet, and the fact that we are defending a blob of organic matter is rather ridiculous. in fact, this reminds me of another carlin quote: "Pro-life is really anti-woman" (the entire routine is on this link. there is a lot of offensive language, but please bear with it).

we shouldn't care about a blob of organic matter until it shows signs of life. if there is a brainwave pattern, then it shouldn't be touched. any other time is a load of religiously biased bull-****.

-Blade

 

Posted Jul 23, '12 at 7:56pm

MageGrayWolf

MageGrayWolf

9,667 posts

Knight

And i think Pro-abortion peoples{under any circumstance)view would change if they were the fetus being aborted.

Pro-abortion is something of a mislabel. Being for the processing to be left legal is not saying that one is pro-abortion. Nor being against it being legal makes it pro-life.

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Posted Jul 23, '12 at 9:49pm

Jacen96

Jacen96

2,155 posts

in my opinion, the reason contraception and abortion are around, is that people don't want to deal with responsibility, simple as that.

 

Posted Jul 24, '12 at 1:20am

Kasic

Kasic

5,570 posts

In my opinion, the reason contraception and abortion are around, is that people don't want to deal with responsibility, simple as that.

Your statement is conflicting.

It is being responsible to use contraception when you don't want to have a child. Calling people who use condoms irresponsible isn't correct.

 

Posted Jul 24, '12 at 5:21am

Masterforger

Masterforger

1,633 posts

If the woman wants to abort, no one has the right to stop her. If she doesn't want to abort, no one has the right to stop her. It's not the man's choice, she's the one who's gonna go through childbirth. She's the one who, largely, will have to take care of the baby. You have no right whatsoever to cut off her option of bailing out. It's why I dislike Ireland, as do most Irish. They have to go over to the UK to abort.
Abortion is up to the woman who is pregnant.
That's right, lads. I'm a guy who supports the women. Eat it.

 

Posted Jul 24, '12 at 11:58am

ryjo1026

ryjo1026

4 posts

I believe abortion is wrong because the fetus is already developing. But, despite being christian I believe that contraception is okay.

 

Posted Jul 24, '12 at 12:03pm

Jacen96

Jacen96

2,155 posts

It is being responsible to use contraception when you don't want to have a child. Calling people who use condoms irresponsible isn't correct.

there is a reason it is called sexual reproduction.

 

Posted Jul 24, '12 at 12:37pm

BRAAINZz

BRAAINZz

600 posts

I believe abortion is wrong because the fetus is already developing.

Say I'm making a sandwich. I either originally wanted the sandwich. But then, I decided I didn't want the sandwich and that I wasn't hungry. Or maybe, I am allergic to bread. Either way, I can't support this sandwich for the ways that it was intended.

Pro-Life: Eat it anyway, you're opinion doesn't matter. Eat the sandwich, because if you don't you're committing a crime against the sandwich, it could be a sandwich but then you're stopping it! The consequences don't matter! Eat it!

Pro-Abortion: Throw it out, put the bread back, make a painting out of it, do whatever, you started making the sandwich. It's your choice.

Which one makes more sense? The sandwich has the same amount of brain cells as a fetus. Decide.

 
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