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is abortion ok?

Posted Feb 28, '13 at 12:17am

Kasic

Kasic

5,740 posts

Bleh, didn't see the first post, only the second.

Your killing the potential of life.


Shouldn't it be the mother's choice if she wants to bring a life into the world? As you said, it is potential. So is each ovum. So is each sperm. A fetus is just further along. Each ovum has the potential to be another person, menstruation is naturally 'killing the potential of life.'

justice.


You know, I've come to dislike the term. Justice is hypocritical. Someone kills someone else, so you kill them? Now you've killed someone too.

I believe in equal, not greater, retribution.


It doesn't solve anything.

Ok what about a man who kills his wife? He has no mental illness and purposefully killed her.


I would argue that no sane person would kill their wife.
 

Posted Feb 28, '13 at 1:06am

Masterforger

Masterforger

1,856 posts

Just because I don't support abortion doesn't mean I am anti-women's rights.

Actually, you don't support women's rights. You're male, you have no say in the matter. Women's rights were fought for to give WOMEN the say in having the child. You are attempting to rid them of one of the rights that took hard work to get. Can you get pregnant? No, you're male. I'm sure if you were female you'd see a very different side of the bloodied coin.

Tell me, what is the good part of not aborting? Horray, another bloody child in an overpopulated world. How much did that do?

As for 'teaching a lesson', people make mistakes. You say a mistake needs to be reprimanded by dumping a woman with a lifelong burden? What if the family's financial situation changes during pregnancy? What if the husband (or single mom) loses their job? You are, to the greatest point possible, extremely ignorant.
 

Posted Feb 28, '13 at 5:40am

MageGrayWolf

MageGrayWolf

9,782 posts

Knight

So you do think that abortion is murder?


Murder implies the killing of another person. The fetus has yet to develop personhood, thus not murder.

If the baby is certain to die or his life endangers that of the mother then yes i do think abortion is ok. I generally disagree with, but that doesn't mean I have to support 100%.


And we have seen in recent news how well having anti-abortion laws can impact the decision to preform such operations, even when the mother's life is threatened.

Your killing the potential of life.


It's already alive, it's stopping it's potential to become a person. In that regard it's not much different than preventing the sperm and egg from meeting. It's just at a later stage of the process.

I really don't like that proverb. I believe in equal, not greater, retribution.


An eye for an eye is stating equal retribution. Ghandi was pointing out how that ideology was flawed.

But it still will die without proper care, just like a fetus would die with unproper care.


The fetus will die if cared for or not if removed from the mother's body.

Just because I don't support abortion doesn't mean I am anti-women's rights.


You do seem to be stating how a woman doesn't have the right to decide what will happen to her body. Though your statements weren't exactly what I had in mind when writing that. I was thinking of things how some politicians have advocated the use of trans vagina probes to not only make the process of abortion more invasive but to try and put more emotion duress on the woman than she might already be going through with making such a decision. Or comment like the "legitimate ****" in order to exclude **** victims from being able to get abortions, because of a bs claim that they "secretly wanted it".

The death penalty is probably there because of the high crime rate.


That really doesn't make any sense. Though it still would seem to show the death penalty to be a poor deterrent to crime.


Still has the potential to become a person.


I'm not arguing that, I'm arguing that it isn't person yet and the mother is. As such it's the decision of the person involved being physically effected.

Are you saying all or most criminals are mentally ill?


I would argue most likely are or at least were under severe emotional duress. Either way we are talking about a mental condition the result of chemical imbalances, physical malformations in the brain or both. All of which I see as potentially treatable.
 

Posted Mar 2, '13 at 11:51am

sk8er

sk8er

7 posts

omg no its not the baby is Jesus's child

 

Posted Mar 2, '13 at 1:25pm

GhostOfMetal

GhostOfMetal

719 posts

It's already alive, it's stopping it's potential to become a person. In that regard it's not much different than preventing the sperm and egg from meeting. It's just at a later stage of the process.


This I must disagree with. Your logic is not flawed, however, preventing the sperm from fertilizing the egg is very different. This is considered birth control while abortion is considered termination, very different. Terminating a child in the womb is like crushing a chicken egg [that is planned to hatch into a chick] before it hatches. also, abortion has a vastly different psychological on the mother (and sometimes the father but more-so the mother) than simply avoiding pregnancy.
 

Posted Mar 2, '13 at 2:18pm

Kasic

Kasic

5,740 posts

Terminating a child in the womb is like crushing a chicken egg [that is planned to hatch into a chick] before it hatches.


Planned? It's a biological process, neither the chick or hen have any concept of planning.

also, abortion has a vastly different psychological on the mother (and sometimes the father but more-so the mother) than simply avoiding pregnancy.


Here's a very common misconception. We aren't advocating everyone go out and get pregnant, then abort. We're saying that the woman should have a choice about what's happening in her body.
 

Posted Mar 2, '13 at 3:23pm

HahiHa

HahiHa

5,306 posts

Knight

This is considered birth control while abortion is considered termination, very different.

Different in what aspect? That we gave them different names? It doesn't even make sense as abortion can technically also be counted as birth control.

Here's a very common misconception. We aren't advocating everyone go out and get pregnant, then abort. We're saying that the woman should have a choice about what's happening in her body.

In some way, abortion can be seen as a further method of birth control, in case preventive methods didn't work. Which supports Mage in saying it's the same at a later stage.
 

Posted Mar 2, '13 at 3:39pm

GhostOfMetal

GhostOfMetal

719 posts

Here's a very common misconception. We aren't advocating everyone go out and get pregnant, then abort. We're saying that the woman should have a choice about what's happening in her body.


This is understood. However, it would be wise for the couple to consider the consequences for unprotected intimacy in addition to preventing pregnancy. I'm not saying abortion isn't the wrong thing to do when it is the result of **** or when the mother's life is in danger. By all means, it is the mother's right to life and pursuit of happiness to abort the child then. However, when she willingly puts herself at risk to get pregnant, that is when it is wrong.

Planned? It's a biological process, neither the chick or hen have any concept of planning.


Planned was a poor word to use their. perhaps scheduled or preparing are better choices to fit my sentence.
 

Posted Mar 2, '13 at 3:50pm

HahiHa

HahiHa

5,306 posts

Knight

Planned was a poor word to use their. perhaps scheduled or preparing are better choices to fit my sentence.

You do know that each second pregnancy doesn't even make it through the first weeks, naturally, right? As such, abortion is not an unnatural tweak, it is just changing the odds to a more favorable situation.

I do agree however that abortion should not be taken lightly; it's like those "lifestyle cesareans", people tend to forget that it is a medical operation respectively treatment after all. But diabolizing abortion is the wrong way, it should be the right of a woman to decide what happens with her body at all times.
 

Posted Mar 2, '13 at 3:53pm

Kasic

Kasic

5,740 posts

However, it would be wise for the couple to consider the consequences for unprotected intimacy in addition to preventing pregnancy.


Abortion advocates are all for contraceptives.

However, when she willingly puts herself at risk to get pregnant, that is when it is wrong.


As I have said before, there are other circumstances.

Planned was a poor word to use their. perhaps scheduled or preparing are better choices to fit my sentence.


That's why we use &quototential." It's not yet the chick/baby. Any number of things can happen in the interim.
 
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