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Posted Apr 26, '13 at 1:54pm

KnightDeclan

KnightDeclan

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No, I'm not a Protestant.  I believe the bible, but I rely mainly on tradition, or what was passed down through the church.  I am a very intelligent human being, believe me. And when in person, quite shy.  But when it comes to my faith, being a confirmed Traditional Catholic, I have to oppose anyone who doubts even one aspect of it.  Also, don't downgrade Baptism as something so simple please.  That is an attack on my faith.  You obviously don't love anything so strongly that everything that opposes it you hate.  i am one of the very few traditional Roman Latin mass Catholics, pre- Vatican 2.  You obviously don't know any of us if you are so surprised from our beliefs.  God, being so just, doesn't give it pain in limbo, but there is no happiness.  It's just a place of no family.  When the child reaches the age to know right from wrong, (about 7) he will go to hell.  Retarded kids will also go to limbo, for they lack reason and willpower.  My brother is retarded, but we try as hard as we can to train him.  lastly, even if you were baptized, you still have a good chance of going to hell because of your lack of faith, and your herecies.  I'm not guaranteed heaven either.  I sin just as much as you do, but at least I know i do so i can confess my sins.  I'm predicting your ignorant comment, as usual, so just save your time and forget it.

 

Posted Apr 26, '13 at 2:00pm

HahiHa

HahiHa

4,939 posts

Knight

You obviously don't love anything so strongly that everything that opposes it you hate.

That is called fanatism, and is a bad thing. Try a bit more tolerance, it will do you good.

In the meantime, keep things on-topic. You wanna discuss abortion, do so here. You wanna talk about your faith, do so somewhere else.

 

Posted Apr 26, '13 at 2:05pm

KnightDeclan

KnightDeclan

487 posts

I'm discussing faith because, if you read in earlier comments, nobody finds abortion wrong.  I'm saying that it's murder, which is a sin, and you will go to hell for it if not confessed to a real priest.  This world is so disgusting.

 

Posted Apr 26, '13 at 2:07pm

Kasic

Kasic

5,564 posts

God, being so just, doesn't give it pain in limbo, but there is no happiness.  It's just a place of no family.  When the child reaches the age to know right from wrong, (about 7) he will go to hell.  Retarded kids will also go to limbo, for they lack reason and willpower.

Again, how is this even remotely fair? How could a loving god sentence unborn people to limbo (and then hell) all because someone didn't dump water on their head? How can he call himself just by denying mentally ill people paradise, because he created them as being mentally ill?

I have to oppose anyone who doubts even one aspect of it.

Arguing your side is fine, however, you are not arguing it. You aren't even responding to the aspects we're talking about, you just keep repeating yourself.

  Also, don't downgrade Baptism as something so simple please.  That is an attack on my faith.

Baptism is simple. A priest says some words and pours water over someone's head. It takes less than a minute.

You obviously don't know any of us if you are so surprised from our beliefs. 

There certainly are not very many people who hold your beliefs as far as I'm aware. Could you give us links to websites on your faith?

lastly, even if you were baptized, you still have a good chance of going to hell because of your lack of faith, and your herecies.

"Good chance." In other words, God really only does mostly care about water being dumped over someone's head, if that alone qualifies me.

  I'm predicting your ignorant comment, as usual, so just save your time and forget it.

I'm wondering if you know what ignorant means.

 

Posted Apr 26, '13 at 2:12pm

HahiHa

HahiHa

4,939 posts

Knight

I'm saying that it's murder, which is a sin, and you will go to hell for it if not confessed to a real priest.

1. What are your arguments on why it is murder?

2. A woman (adult) died in Ireland because she couldn't have her doomed foetus (brainless thing) aborted. For me, that is involuntary manslaughter, which is legally amendable.

 

Posted Apr 26, '13 at 2:27pm

Kasic

Kasic

5,564 posts

's their child, so they should love it enough to let it be saved.  If they don't care about their own child, then God doesn't.  He's completely fair and just.

I don't even know how to respond to this. You think it's completely fair and just for a supposedly all loving being to let innocent children suffer in hell eternally or go into limbo because their parents did not have their child baptized? What if they never heard of it? What if they held some other form of faith about God?

Also, I think I'm listening and responding to every one off your points.

"Up to the first seven weeks, a fetus does not have a heartbeat. Up to the first 12-13 weeks, a baby does not have brainwaves. No one thinks or feels before their brain starts working."

" However, the fetus/baby grows inside the mother, and as it is her body, it is her right to choose whether she wants to let that. There are also times when either the mother, child, or both are in danger from the pregnancy. Should I get into rape and child pregnancies, too?"

"f people do not want to reproduce, they should use birth control."

"Because all the murderers of the world, all the people who scam others or steal, rape people or destroy other's property did great things with their lives. A fetus would not have automatically been a saint, just because it was aborted."

"Why would an all loving god require a ritual where you pour water over someone's head, in order for them to enter paradise? How does that add up?"

"The bible is not proof of Christianity's claims. The bible is where Christianity's claims come from. Here.

I am a purple unicorn. Obviously, I'm a purple unicorn, because I just said I was. That's your logic with saying the bible is proof of itself."

"Please explain the difference between a baby being conceived after a human ritual, or prior. What's wrong with premarital sex anyways?"

"What we are saying is, it's the most sensible thing to do in certain situations, and prohibiting it does make everything worse. Example? Since Switzerland allowed abortions, abortion rates went down substantially."

"Again, how is this even remotely fair? How could a loving god sentence unborn people to limbo (and then hell) all because someone didn't dump water on their head? How can he call himself just by denying mentally ill people paradise, because he created them as being mentally ill?"

These are all the points you have not responded to. Aka, 95% of what we've said. All you've done every time you responded is,

1) Some form of this: "Ur a sick person"
2) Some form of this: "As kasic, the twisted, heartless, moron is saying"
3) Some form of this: "Since you are all going to hell"
4) Some form of this: "I hope to God you go to the lowest part of hell"
5) Some form of this: "my faith is being attacked."
6) Some form of this: "'I'm predicting your ignorant comment,"
7) This: "complete facts put out by the church"

In other words, all you do is play the victim card while insulting us over and over again, while repeating yourself that you're right and we're wrong and that we're going to hell. The only question you have -finally- answered is what you think someone who has only been baptized will have happen to them.

 

Posted Apr 26, '13 at 2:38pm

Kasic

Kasic

5,564 posts

Lol, i have to admit, that is funny about my response, but i have said more than that.

No, you really haven't. Not in any threads. You never back up what you say, you insult us most of the time, you tell us we're going to hell, and you cry victim.

God is just by not sending the baby to hell.  It's the parents duty to get it baptized, not His.  Is it sad? yes, but our world is just as sick. Unfair? sometimes, but that's how it is.

The only sick thing here is that a supposedly all loving, all powerful, all knowing god requires mortal, fallible people whom he knowingly created as such to perform a ridiculous rite so that innocent unborn children who die in any way are not outright condemned to eternity of being alone or tortured.

Most of all, preventing it's eternal happiness.

The only one doing that is God, by mandating his abhorrent and disgusting system be followed. He could let any and everyone in and forgive them and wash them of their sins regardless of what they've done, by way of being omnipowerful and benevolent. He is a cruel, evil, hypocritical being who toys with sentient creatures he created and punishes them for being how he made them.  There is absolutely nothing good about God as you portray him.

 

Posted Apr 26, '13 at 2:43pm

EmperorPalpatine

EmperorPalpatine

4,970 posts

I'm saying that it's murder, which is a sin

Please read Numbers 5:21-22, then get back to us.

 

Posted Apr 26, '13 at 2:53pm

EmperorPalpatine

EmperorPalpatine

4,970 posts

So abortion is just fine if it's done ritually?

 

Posted Apr 26, '13 at 2:56pm

Kasic

Kasic

5,564 posts

As I said, God can do as He likes with us.

The fundamentals have become clear.

We're all God's slaves whom he can torture because he's righteous. That makes a whole lot of sense.

Seriously? KnightDeclan, take a look at that for a second. Do you see any kind of contradiction between calling yourself all loving, and then turning right around and torturing people for eternity because of frankly stupid or meaningless transgressions?

 
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