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is abortion ok?

Posted Jan 30, '14 at 7:29pm

FishPreferred

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A woman is raped and a baby is conceived. The woman wants to abort. Although the woman in no way deserved either to be raped or the baby, it should not be killed for the rapist's actions. Despite controversy, still, get the baby adopted.


And the horrible pain and stress of childbirth? The siphoning off of precious resources to produce the child? The psychological consequences upon the mother and in many cases the child?

Just think about it: What if your mother decided that she did want you. Would you have supported it then? (not the previous user, everyone in general who thinks that it is ok).


Yes. I do not fear the prospect of nonexistence any more than I do the inevitable cessation of existence, which is not at all. Do you think of people as monsters simply because they do not have a pathological aversion to death? Or because they consider it more humane than a life of torment and/or misery?

Are you ok? No abortion is not ok. Its unnatural. Even if you're not religious you don't see animals in the wild getting abortions..... call me stupid I don't care just my opinion.


1 Abortion is not by necessity planned abortion. It does happen to animals in the wild, usually due to malnutrition.
2 Consider how many unnatural procedures the average human being performs in an average day. The majority of these are ok by most human standards.
 

Posted Jan 30, '14 at 7:46pm

OperationNilo

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The psychological consequences upon the mother and in many cases the child?


The majority of the cases confirm that the mother is more severely impacted by having an abortion rather than delivering the child.
 

Posted Jan 30, '14 at 7:53pm

EmperorPalpatine

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The majority of the cases confirm that the mother is more severely impacted by having an abortion rather than delivering the child.

Is this a study of a broad range of cases or specifically rape cases?
 

Posted Jan 30, '14 at 10:47pm

abt79

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So what you are saying is that the mother should have the right to kill someone to save her from pain? The same argument could be made for someone who wanted to kill you to harvest your organs.

 

Posted Jan 30, '14 at 10:49pm

HOBCOP

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Abortion is unatural.

 

Posted Jan 30, '14 at 11:06pm

FishPreferred

FishPreferred

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So what you are saying is that the mother should have the right to kill someone to save her from pain?


No. What I am saying is that the mother should have the right to abort the process of reproduction in the early stages of pregnancy as well as the preceeding stages to save her from pain and the other stresses that go along with involuntary reproduction.

The same argument could be made for someone who wanted to kill you to harvest your organs.


Indeed. It could also be made for someone who only likes to eat cheese on Sundays, but I don't see any reason to apply this argument to wholly unrelated scenarios.

Abortion is unatural.


No, as already explained.
 

Posted Jan 30, '14 at 11:28pm

abt79

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What do you mean cheese on sundays?
I mean that, killing a baby (or fetus, it's STILL a living breathing human) to save a woman from pain is the same as killing you to take your kidney to save myself from pain, what do you mean cheese?

 

Posted Jan 31, '14 at 12:02am

FishPreferred

FishPreferred

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Allow me to reak this down into its component parts:

I mean that, killing a baby (or fetus, it's STILL a living breathing human)...


If that is what you believe, I suggest you read up on fetal development and nutrition.

... to save a woman from pain is the same as killing you to take your kidney to save myself from pain


Not the same:
- One kidney donation is not inevitably fatal.
- I am conscious and/or have a fully functional nervous system (otherwise, I would be clinically dead and would not care a fig about kidneys).
- Finding a kidney donor is very different from finding a surrogate mother.
- If i'm not mistaken, neither of my kidneys were developed by your body or at your expense.

The same:
- Someone is in pain.

what do you mean cheese?


I mean that this analogy is just as entitled to be a part of the conversation as your organ harvester, because none of them relate in any way to the topic.

P.S. Fred bit his tongue while eating the cheese, so he's in pain too.
 

Posted Jan 31, '14 at 12:02am

FishPreferred

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*break

 

Posted Jan 31, '14 at 12:16am

pangtongshu

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Are you ok? No abortion is not ok. Its unnatural. Even if you're not religious you don't see animals in the wild getting abortions..... call me stupid I don't care just my opinion.


Appeal to nature.
Just because something is natural/unnatural does not make it inherently right or wrong.

Just think about it: What if your mother decided that she did want you. Would you have supported it then? (not the previous user, everyone in general who thinks that it is ok).


Yes, I would have. Because it is her right.

Nice try at the pathos card, though.

Who kills an unborn child? I guess many people are irreclaimably evil.



*aborts a mass of cells that are nothing more than a parasite with potential for human life at the time of said abortion.

You made a hefty typo there.

So what you are saying is that the mother should have the right to kill someone to save her from pain?


There is no killing taking place.

I mean, seriously, do you guys taking the pro-life stance even -know- what abortion is? In all honesty.
And if you respond to this, try so without a straw man or generalization.
 
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