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Posted Jun 16, '12 at 11:21pm

ethan3300

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What are your thoughts on the bill Obama passed that allowed 800,000 illegal aliens to come to america

 

Posted Jun 17, '12 at 12:21am

dair5

dair5

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What are your thoughts on the bill Obama passed that allowed 800,000 illegal aliens to come to america

Could you provide a link please? I've heard of the bill, I just can't seem to find any good sources that say this. Question: Does it allow 800,000 to stay, or to come.

I don't think of the bill as too much of a bad thing the immigrants often come from a poor life, they get here and make a lot more money. It also benefits people who've been here since they were kids are should be counted as American.

 

Posted Jun 17, '12 at 12:35am

nichodemus

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Knight

With a declining birth rate, and an education system like that, it is a good move. The policy only covers those under 30, have been living in America for at least 5 years, and must have arrived before the age of 16. Many of these people have built America up in their time here, with many of them being immigrants. I see no reason why this specific demographic shouldn't be allowed to become American citizens.

And to correct the OP, it's not ''allowing them to come'', it's just letting them have the chance to qualify for work permits. America has always been a country of immigrants, so calling these ''aliens'' as unwanted is a tad bit hypocritical.

Many people don't realise it, but a fair bit of ''America's'' scientific and technological prowess is due to the H1B ''genius visa'' attracting so many non-America scientists and intellects to take up shop in America. For example, 50% of all PhD candidates in America are foreign born. Quite clearly, America needs such people in the long run.

 

Posted Jun 17, '12 at 8:22am

partydevil

partydevil

5,109 posts

aliens... realy?

--.--' realy, realy?

i guess we have confirmed living aliens then.
(how stupid can you be?)

 

Posted Jun 17, '12 at 10:23am

nichodemus

nichodemus

12,181 posts

Knight

i guess we have confirmed living aliens then.
(how stupid can you be?)

Read OP! Immigrants, not UFOs.

 

Posted Jun 17, '12 at 12:03pm

partydevil

partydevil

5,109 posts

Read OP! Immigrants, not UFOs.

he calling them aliens. makes me unable to see him as a rational person.

 

Posted Jun 17, '12 at 1:41pm

nichodemus

nichodemus

12,181 posts

Knight

he calling them aliens. makes me unable to see him as a rational person.

That's the proper terminology.

Illegal Alien 
noun

1. A foreigner who has entered or resides in a country unlawfully or without the country's authorization.

2. A foreigner who enters the U.S. without an entry or immigrant visa, especially a person who crosses the border by avoiding inspection or who overstays the period of time allowed as a visitor, tourist, or businessperson. Compare resident alien.

 

Posted Jun 17, '12 at 1:45pm

314d1

314d1

3,510 posts

i guess we have confirmed living aliens then.
(how stupid can you be?)

"In law, an alien is a person in a country who is not a citizen of that country.". It is the correct term, don't be a moron about it.

What are your thoughts on the bill Obama passed that allowed 800,000 illegal aliens to come to america

Someone has been listening to Republic talk radio again, ah?

Does it allow 800,000 to stay, or to come.

Stay, the bill is passed for people who have already been in America a long time.

I don't think of the bill as too much of a bad thing the immigrants often come from a poor life, they get here and make a lot more money. It also benefits people who've been here since they were kids are should be counted as American.

So where do they get the money? Wouldn't allowing a lot of poor people to enter the country make the country overall poorer? Of course it is good for the immigrants, but how does it effect America?

With a declining birth rate, and an education system like that, it is a good move. The policy only covers those under 30, have been living in America for at least 5 years, and must have arrived before the age of 16. Many of these people have built America up in their time here, with many of them being immigrants. I see no reason why this specific demographic shouldn't be allowed to become American citizens.

It also covers only those who enter illegally, but have not committed any crime since they entered the state. So would that not make them all criminals? They are illegal immigrants, they are the people who did not come here legally.

Many people don't realise it, but a fair bit of ''America's'' scientific and technological prowess is due to the H1B ''genius visa'' attracting so many non-America scientists and intellects to take up shop in America. For example, 50% of all PhD candidates in America are foreign born. Quite clearly, America needs such people in the long run.

Interesting. How many people who get this grant come from a poor and improvised family who entered the country illegally? Poor peasants rarely are able to educate themselves well, even if the people under this bill have to go threw high school, there is a good chance it probably is not going to be a very good school. These are not a bunch of geniuses, they are a bunch of people who where so poor they where willing to risk safety to come do a separate country where they somehow managed to do some things for years.

The argument really goes down to who this benefits. It would benefit the people coming in, which is of course good. Then again, so would the U.S just going down there and taking Mexico and turning it into several states. Would it benefit the country the are immigrating to, though?

 

Posted Jun 17, '12 at 2:40pm

dair5

dair5

2,479 posts

Of course it is good for the immigrants, but how does it effect America?

They often work hard in their jobs. And there are a lot in places like california who pick fruit for lower wages then they deserve. In those places they're used as cheap labor. I don't agree with it, but it is benefical to those bussiness.

These are not a bunch of geniuses, they are a bunch of people who where so poor they where willing to risk safety to come do a separate country where they somehow managed to do some things for years.

These are not a bunch of geniuses, they are a bunch of people who where so poor they where willing to risk safety to come do a separate country where they somehow managed to do some things for years.

Just because they were poor doesn't mean that they can't be succesful. It really varies based on the person. 

Would it benefit the country the are immigrating to, though?

I think it's at least better than trying to find them all to kick them out of country. That seems like a waste of money to me, and it also doesn't help the immigrants.

 

Posted Jun 17, '12 at 3:18pm

314d1

314d1

3,510 posts

They often work hard in their jobs. And there are a lot in places like california who pick fruit for lower wages then they deserve. In those places they're used as cheap labor. I don't agree with it, but it is benefical to those bussiness.

How is that any different than what they do illegally? If they where to become legal citizens, they would have to be payed minimum wage. Witch would be good for them, if the fact that there are still illegals who work for less than that. So either the fruit pickers would have to get payed MORE, defeating the point of cheap labor, or get payed the same amount, defeating the point of them becoming citizens.

Just because they were poor doesn't mean that they can't be succesful. It really varies based on the person. 

It does not, but it is a major handicap to success, as well as many of the other negative aspects of being an illegal. For example, they have to take years to learn English properly, they will have poor education, and poor jobs. How can you have any success with such a big handicap?

I think it's at least better than trying to find them all to kick them out of country. That seems like a waste of money to me, and it also doesn't help the immigrants.

So wouldn't this also waste money, since the near million people entering the country would likely qualify for many government programs like social security? They are poor, otherwise they would just enter legally, so it isn't like the taxes they would pay would do much. This would end up costing money, and would put citizens in poor paying, poor conditioned jobs. No matter what you do, your either going to help one and hurt the other, or hurt both, or not change anything.

 
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