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ethan3300
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What are your thoughts on the bill Obama passed that allowed 800,000 illegal aliens to come to america

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nichodemus
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Why do they not become naturalized citizens? Surely college grads would have the education to do so. They would then be able to legally work without worrying about deportation.


Because they can't. They are US College grads, meaning they got they're degrees in the States, but are not citizens. Before this act, revealing that one was such an immigrant would only get you deported. Don't even think about citizenship.
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I think that Illegal immigrant's is wrong.

How is that any different than what they do illegally? If they where to become legal citizens, they would have to be payed minimum wage. Witch would be good for them, if the fact that there are still illegals who work for less than that. So either the fruit pickers would have to get payed MORE, defeating the point of cheap labor, or get payed the same amount, defeating the point of them becoming citizens.

Yeah, if they get payed more than what they would back in they're home country good for them but it doesn't justify being here illegally. And i think that they shouldn't complain about low wages when they're not even supposed to be there. and for every job an immigrant gets is a job a citizen loses and i don't think that's fair.
Salvidian
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So either the fruit pickers would have to get payed MORE, defeating the point of cheap labor, or get payed the same amount, defeating the point of them becoming citizens.


Sounds socialist.

In other words, this will never happen in America.
melon0111
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Also i think that anchor babies are wrong. If you don't want to have a child in that area don't get pregnant. and I think its wrong to get pregnant just to use a baby to get into a country. Did you know that Mexico has the most rapidly growing (ratio wise)in the world. And if you use your child as an excuse that you don't want a child to grow up in that world... DON'T HAVE A KID. And don't think i'm insensitive by saying this but i think that schools and businesses should be able to ask a person if they're there legally there. Especially schools because they are government funded and if your here illegally they shouldn't have to pay for your education.

EmperorPalpatine
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[quote]Because they can't...[quote]
Hmmm... Could they leave and come back legally to become citizens?

nichodemus
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Yeah, if they get payed more than what they would back in they're home country good for them but it doesn't justify being here illegally. And i think that they shouldn't complain about low wages when they're not even supposed to be there. and for every job an immigrant gets is a job a citizen loses and i don't think that's fair.


Remember that the illegal immigrants here are the skilled ones. Also remember that not everything a job is given to them, it's lost to a citizenship because these people have degrees.

Hmmm... Could they leave and come back legally to become citizens?


Getting a citizenship is not as easy. Nor is it wise to come back and ask for a citizenship and reveal that you've been an illegal immigrant for the past years. Furthermore, I don't think Obama has any plans to allow illegal immigrants to become citizens, even if they've come back a second time.

If you don't want to have a child in that area don't get pregnant. and I think its wrong to get pregnant just to use a baby to get into a country.


No it's not. US law already states that if a baby is born in America, it's eligible for citizenship.

And if you use your child as an excuse that you don't want a child to grow up in that world... DON'T HAVE A KID.


They want their kids to grow up to be Americans. How thick can you get?

Especially schools because they are government funded and if your here illegally they shouldn't have to pay for your education.


Illegal immigrants pay taxes too. Look above.

Did you know that Mexico has the most rapidly growing (ratio wise)in the world.


Nigeria's population is increasing at six times the rate of Mexico. So I don't know where you got your fraudulent statistics from.
Salvidian
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Nigeria's population is increasing at six times the rate of Mexico. So I don't know where you got your fraudulent statistics from.


Nigeria's population has been flying up for years. I thought that was common sense.

Don't even get me started on Mexico's "growing" population...
nichodemus
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Nigeria's population has been flying up for years. I thought that was common sense.

Don't even get me started on Mexico's "growing" population...


My point was to correct him on his claim that Mexico is the fastest growing population.
melon0111
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Nigeria's population is increasing at six times the rate of Mexico. So I don't know where you got your fraudulent statistics from.

I got it from a textbook for my school written in 2007.
Salvidian
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My point was to correct him on his claim that Mexico is the fastest growing population.


I know. I was adding to you.
nichodemus
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I got it from a textbook for my school written in 2007.


Evidently, no longer the case.
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as much as they have to go through in mexico, i do not beleive the bill should have been passed. i beleive that if they come into the system and get their green cards then they should hold all rights that we as american citizens do and should be treated equally. the reason for this is because here in america we barely produce any of the drugs we use, but we still consume 66% of the worlds illicit drugs. considering that we make up 5% of the worlds population then all the drugs have to come from somewhere, and much of it is from mexico and south america(not all of americas illegal immagrants are mexican, some come from south america and asia) and illegal immagrants also have a huge impact on our crime rate, here in america we have the largest portion of our population in prisons, much of it from illegal immagration. but thats just my opinion.

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even though they do take jobs, they usually take the lower class jobs, for example, in georgia much of the illegal immagrants have left, and now the grapes are literally rotting of the vines because nobody can harvest it. before, the illegal immagrants would harvest this but since they left nobody is willing to harvest the grapes.

melon0111
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even though they do take jobs, they usually take the lower class jobs, for example, in georgia much of the illegal immagrants have left, and now the grapes are literally rotting of the vines because nobody can harvest it. before, the illegal immagrants would harvest this but since they left nobody is willing to harvest the grapes.

Yeah. Americans think that they are above that sort of thing. The average american has no work ethic and expect to get payed for it. You will never make it in the real world like that.
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as much as they have to go through in mexico, i do not beleive the bill should have been passed. i beleive that if they come into the system and get their green cards then they should hold all rights that we as american citizens do and should be treated equally. the reason for this is because here in america we barely produce any of the drugs we use, but we still consume 66% of the worlds illicit drugs. considering that we make up 5% of the worlds population then all the drugs have to come from somewhere, and much of it is from mexico and south america(not all of americas illegal immagrants are mexican, some come from south america and asia) and illegal immagrants also have a huge impact on our crime rate, here in america we have the largest portion of our population in prisons, much of it from illegal immagration. but thats just my opinion.


Drugs are rather difficult to get, if your an immigrant. Since illegal immigrants usually try to avoid having to leave the country again, it doesn't make much since to live here as a drug mule.

Illegal immigrants don't get thrown in prison. They get deported, I don't see how they are related to the amount of people in prisons.

Yeah. Americans think that they are above that sort of thing. The average american has no work ethic and expect to get payed for it. You will never make it in the real world like that.


Your contradicting yourself again. The average worker in the worlds only super power...can't make it in the real world? I don't see the logic there.
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