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Salvidian
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INTRODUCTION

Thread Background
Coming from a long-time lurker born in 2008, I have noticed that Armor Games is facing a recent "slump" of activity. In other terms, Armor Games is becoming inactive. In my quest for answers, I've contacted several Armor Games users, ranging from new users to veterans. Thinking that I gave people something to think about for the day, Ernie15 gave me a bold idea to convert these ideas into a thread where one can give his/her ideas on the matter instead of letting this issue be small-talk. In many's minds, this is an issue that needs to be addressed to immediately. There have been threads like this, but this is the central HUB of what we view of Armor Games today.

Armor Games, I give you The User's View.

Armor Games Background
AG3, a major update to the Armor Games world, has been in development for around 2 years. There are tons of beta testers for the website. Prior to and starting at the development of AG3, Armor Games was once a bustling "city," if you will, of ideas traveling by means of public forum posting to comments to one another, or "small talk." Many of these users have left for reasons we will discuss and are being replaced by users we will later discuss.

Staff Changes
Late 2011, Cormyn, a very popular admin, resigned from his duties and became a regular user. He was somewhat replaced with Justin Royster, aka username jroyster22.

Part 1: Cormyn
Cormyn was undoubtedly known for his ability to be publicly active within the community and was often described as strict. As strict as he was, he kept the trash out and helped shape our modern-day Armor Games. He wrote code for the community, laid down a lot of the rules, appointed moderators alongside the moderation team, and, short and sweet, held Armor Games together. In many people's opinions, he was the administrator's community face of Armor Games. Once Cormyn left, jroyster22, alongside his duties with AG3, became the one to contact if you needed help. Justin Royster had big shoes to fill, and so far, he's done a moderate job. He prefers to contact via email, taking away from that on-site communication charm. In my opinion, Justin Royster has been a little vague with his duties. I and others have complained that Armor Games needs a new head, and if Justin Royster was a little more open, we'd have that strong, great leader. I am not criticizing his work- I understand he's busy. I'm just asking that he showed a little more of his face.

Part 2: Inactivity
Sadly, many of Armor Games' moderators have been caught up with daily life to successfully fulfill their duties on a daily basis. Similarly, admins are busy preparing AG3 for its release and have a lot to do. I understand they have lives as well. Many other new members have complained that it is impossible to get in touch with anyone on the staff team. Cormyn had written moderator-selection software, and many are thinking, if it is still available after Cormyn's resignation, perhaps it could be used to find another addition to the moderator team. Freakenstein has been a fantastic addition, but I feel as though we need more. I'm not going to name names because I respect what our moderators do; I feel as though we need more. Maybe it's time we eliminated the "small staff team" tradition for the time being until we recover. As for admins, we don't need a lot, but just one public face to get contact with would be fantastic.

Migration
I know AG3 is going to be very different. I know forum activity has sunk. I know your friends have left. Because of multiple things, many users, newbies and veterans alike, have moved on to different websites. This is not going to help our inactivity problem. It will only make it worse. I am not only asking you all to stay, but I am asking you to help out. We can't sit around and let our users leave. Part of it is our problem; we can make things interesting again. We can make people want to spend all of their time here. We can show people Armor Games is the best darn website out there!

Generation Transition
Jeol brought this to my attention and it struck me. What if the reason so many people are leaving is because they are older? Now, some people will never change, but others will grow and move on. And, who replaces them?

Part 1: Veterans
It's summer. You've finished school and want to enjoy the outdoors. You've finished school and have to work. You've finished school and want to try something new. Whatever it is, whether you've gotten too old for Armor Games, or have something else taking up your time, you can't visit your favorite website in the world. You know what? That's quite OK. Just remember to drop by once in a while and talk to your old friends. Many users are finding that they are having difficulties connecting with new people if they leave right away. Sadly, this leaves many users bored and craving for a good conversation.

Part 2: New Users
The size of Armor Games' user list is rising exponentially- it's skyrocketing! Most would think this would create more activity, wouldn't it? Frankly, no. Many games require an account for online saving to work, and the new generation replacing the previous one seems to be filled with people who join, stay active for a day, and quit dealing with the forums, leaving a large gap to be filled by no one.

Armor Games v3
As mentioned earlier, AG3 is being developed. By my count, there are currently 5 admins developing it. Unfortunately, users are complaining because there is little or no status updates on what's going on. Not to sound demanding, but more frequent updates could make the waiting all the easier. Also, the new achievement system may scare veterans who are used to and have gained recognition by the current AP system. AG3 will also result in a clean slate for the forums... By deleting all of the material there. Of course, much of the material is repeatable, but many veterans have good memories of posting here.

Conclusion
We've lost the face of the admins, Cormyn, and would like to have another public face again. Many moderators are busy with their lives and some more help would be fantastic. A lot of people have given up on Armor Games and have outright quit. Old faces are being replaced with people who aren't as devoted the site. AG3 is coming with big changes, but has gone very quiet recently.

~Salvidian

Those who contributed to this information in some way, shape, or form
-jeol
-Ernie15
-daleks
-Skeleton_Pilot
-Cenere
-GhostOfMatrix
-MrDayCee
-johnmerz

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xeano321
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I'll get the Shoutbox up when I can. I need to figure out how to put in filters and do the administrative stuff. I need to do these things because I want it on my profile. After all, who likes 3rd-part websites? *cough*GetSat*cough*


I'm not too sure if the Shoutbox will yield satisfactory results. I mean, will it really be that much different then posting in the forums?
Darktroop07
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250,000AP you'll need to post a seven word message on everyone's profile but only firetail is closest to that >.>.
And was that just to make people chat more or rate more?

Ernie15
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Page 4? I seriously found this on page 4?

Anyway, I wrote something on game comments just now in an S&S thread. It's old news, I know, but I know the site will be headed in the right direction if what I have to say is taken into consideration.

Salvidian
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I think people are waiting for PP1. Like I said, it won't be up for a few days.

Anyway, I wrote something on game comments just now in an S&S thread. It's old news, I know, but I know the site will be headed in the right direction if what I have to say is taken into consideration.


Gantic basically mentioned the best answer there, which was to just move onto AG3. There are a lot of problems with AG2's comment system, but we really just need to wait for AG3.

I'm kind of split 50/50 on the promoting idea. There's just too much that doesn't work, and not enough that will work.
GhostOfMatrix
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The Armor Games beta is shutting down on August 31, 2012!

Does this mean AG3 will be released?

GhostOfMatrix
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Oh, didn't see the link.


/4am posting

nichodemus
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Doesn't seem to indicate that it's coming out soon though...maybe they still have to tweak and fiddle around.

BRAAINZz
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Doesn't seem to indicate that it's coming out soon though...maybe they still have to tweak and fiddle around.


It could also mean that they have to shut it down for some huge changes. Which would in turn signify that they took many things in the wrong direction and that they've effectively wasted many man hours. Although I would rather remain optimistic over this.
xeano321
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It could mean that AGv3 is no longer that far off. Kind of nice to know that they are still working on it.

Which would in turn signify that they took many things in the wrong direction and that they've effectively wasted many man hours.


Beta seems to be operating alright. I wouldn't think they would make some huge mistake and have to undo two years of work.
GhostOfMatrix
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It could mean several things, but I'd rather remain optimistic about this. That is unless it's still not out by spring 2013.

It still bothers me how they only post on GetSatisfaction though. I wouldn't have even known about this if I didn't misclick last night.

AceofSky
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Beta seems to be operating alright. I wouldn't think they would make some huge mistake and have to undo two years of work.

So does this make it a higher chance for it to come out during Winter 2012? Or is everyone still thinking in 2013.
It still bothers me how they only post on GetSatisfaction though. I wouldn't have even known about this if I didn't misclick last night.

Don't they update their blog, or do you just mean AG3 things?
GhostOfMatrix
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Don't they update their blog, or do you just mean AG3 things?

Apparently no. Most things relating to site updates are posted on GetSatisfaction instead of the actual site.
AceofSky
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Apparently no. Most things relating to site updates are posted on GetSatisfaction instead of the actual site.

Wow...do you happen to know how long that it's been like that? How long they have had that category up for beta information?
GhostOfMatrix
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I first saw it a month ago, but it could've been there for longer. I don't check the news/blog often. Too much stuff to keep track of, when they could just post in the forum.

GhostOfMatrix
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There appears to be a new forum glitch. I just tried to access forum games and got a 404 error.

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