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Salvidian
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INTRODUCTION

Thread Background
Coming from a long-time lurker born in 2008, I have noticed that Armor Games is facing a recent "slump" of activity. In other terms, Armor Games is becoming inactive. In my quest for answers, I've contacted several Armor Games users, ranging from new users to veterans. Thinking that I gave people something to think about for the day, Ernie15 gave me a bold idea to convert these ideas into a thread where one can give his/her ideas on the matter instead of letting this issue be small-talk. In many's minds, this is an issue that needs to be addressed to immediately. There have been threads like this, but this is the central HUB of what we view of Armor Games today.

Armor Games, I give you The User's View.

Armor Games Background
AG3, a major update to the Armor Games world, has been in development for around 2 years. There are tons of beta testers for the website. Prior to and starting at the development of AG3, Armor Games was once a bustling "city," if you will, of ideas traveling by means of public forum posting to comments to one another, or "small talk." Many of these users have left for reasons we will discuss and are being replaced by users we will later discuss.

Staff Changes
Late 2011, Cormyn, a very popular admin, resigned from his duties and became a regular user. He was somewhat replaced with Justin Royster, aka username jroyster22.

Part 1: Cormyn
Cormyn was undoubtedly known for his ability to be publicly active within the community and was often described as strict. As strict as he was, he kept the trash out and helped shape our modern-day Armor Games. He wrote code for the community, laid down a lot of the rules, appointed moderators alongside the moderation team, and, short and sweet, held Armor Games together. In many people's opinions, he was the administrator's community face of Armor Games. Once Cormyn left, jroyster22, alongside his duties with AG3, became the one to contact if you needed help. Justin Royster had big shoes to fill, and so far, he's done a moderate job. He prefers to contact via email, taking away from that on-site communication charm. In my opinion, Justin Royster has been a little vague with his duties. I and others have complained that Armor Games needs a new head, and if Justin Royster was a little more open, we'd have that strong, great leader. I am not criticizing his work- I understand he's busy. I'm just asking that he showed a little more of his face.

Part 2: Inactivity
Sadly, many of Armor Games' moderators have been caught up with daily life to successfully fulfill their duties on a daily basis. Similarly, admins are busy preparing AG3 for its release and have a lot to do. I understand they have lives as well. Many other new members have complained that it is impossible to get in touch with anyone on the staff team. Cormyn had written moderator-selection software, and many are thinking, if it is still available after Cormyn's resignation, perhaps it could be used to find another addition to the moderator team. Freakenstein has been a fantastic addition, but I feel as though we need more. I'm not going to name names because I respect what our moderators do; I feel as though we need more. Maybe it's time we eliminated the "small staff team" tradition for the time being until we recover. As for admins, we don't need a lot, but just one public face to get contact with would be fantastic.

Migration
I know AG3 is going to be very different. I know forum activity has sunk. I know your friends have left. Because of multiple things, many users, newbies and veterans alike, have moved on to different websites. This is not going to help our inactivity problem. It will only make it worse. I am not only asking you all to stay, but I am asking you to help out. We can't sit around and let our users leave. Part of it is our problem; we can make things interesting again. We can make people want to spend all of their time here. We can show people Armor Games is the best darn website out there!

Generation Transition
Jeol brought this to my attention and it struck me. What if the reason so many people are leaving is because they are older? Now, some people will never change, but others will grow and move on. And, who replaces them?

Part 1: Veterans
It's summer. You've finished school and want to enjoy the outdoors. You've finished school and have to work. You've finished school and want to try something new. Whatever it is, whether you've gotten too old for Armor Games, or have something else taking up your time, you can't visit your favorite website in the world. You know what? That's quite OK. Just remember to drop by once in a while and talk to your old friends. Many users are finding that they are having difficulties connecting with new people if they leave right away. Sadly, this leaves many users bored and craving for a good conversation.

Part 2: New Users
The size of Armor Games' user list is rising exponentially- it's skyrocketing! Most would think this would create more activity, wouldn't it? Frankly, no. Many games require an account for online saving to work, and the new generation replacing the previous one seems to be filled with people who join, stay active for a day, and quit dealing with the forums, leaving a large gap to be filled by no one.

Armor Games v3
As mentioned earlier, AG3 is being developed. By my count, there are currently 5 admins developing it. Unfortunately, users are complaining because there is little or no status updates on what's going on. Not to sound demanding, but more frequent updates could make the waiting all the easier. Also, the new achievement system may scare veterans who are used to and have gained recognition by the current AP system. AG3 will also result in a clean slate for the forums... By deleting all of the material there. Of course, much of the material is repeatable, but many veterans have good memories of posting here.

Conclusion
We've lost the face of the admins, Cormyn, and would like to have another public face again. Many moderators are busy with their lives and some more help would be fantastic. A lot of people have given up on Armor Games and have outright quit. Old faces are being replaced with people who aren't as devoted the site. AG3 is coming with big changes, but has gone very quiet recently.

~Salvidian

Those who contributed to this information in some way, shape, or form
-jeol
-Ernie15
-daleks
-Skeleton_Pilot
-Cenere
-GhostOfMatrix
-MrDayCee
-johnmerz

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Q_File
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The problem is they are still on the mod list. I think the should be taken off.


Agreed. Otherwise people will keep reporting things to them and get no results.
dudeguy45
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They are all older now and have more important things to do then AG.


More important? What can be more important?
nichodemus
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I wish they would get Asherlee, Zophia and MRWalker back, because I really miss their presence! They were -next to being a mod- also fun people to talk to!


Walker got hit by life....You know, he was in the military, not sure what his job is now. And he has young kids.


I hope that AG3 at least directs people to know that there's the Forum first....could we bring that feature forward now, because AG3 doesn't seem to be coming soon? Won't really take much to let new users know that there are Forums when they sign up right?
Salvidian
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I hope that AG3 at least directs people to know that there's the Forum first....could we bring that feature forward now, because AG3 doesn't seem to be coming soon? Won't really take much to let new users know that there are Forums when they sign up right?


Indeed. I'm tired of people saying "Wow, when I signed up I clicked on 'Community' and it brought me to a forum! Looks like there's a faulty link, amiright?"

Agreed. Otherwise people will keep reporting things to them and get no results.


That has been one of the major problems of AG for a while. It does need to be changed.

As for MrDayCee and daleks, you couldn't be more right. The forums need a more active staff team, which is something I'm really pushing! I'm going to exhaust that fact until we get it.
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As others have mentioned, part of it has to do with OUR participation. Of course, a lot of us are posting frequently, and there aren't a lot of people posting, so things tend to get a little bland. This was directed to those who come on AG and lurk.


Ok I guess I'll stop lurking and start posting then

It seems to me that some of the big problems causing the community to regress are that the staff needs to be more active and show their faces more, and as xeano posted,
Most newcomers to the forums post 50 to 100 times, then become inactive
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But really, how are we going to get the staff to become more active?


As for somewhat newcomers becoming inactive after posting a little, I think the amount of users leaving is starting to become more than the amount of users joining AG and staying in the forums.

Maybe we, or I, need to start actually posting in the newcomers forums sometimes, I don't know...

Also, I don't know if this relates or not, but IMO it seems as if the thread quality has gone down somewhat. Especially in the generic questions and favorites thread period. But it seems like when I came back about a year ago, the discussions were much more interesting than now.


My thoughts are still kind of in a jumble but....


-my bit to add-
Patrick2011
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But really, how are we going to get the staff to become more active?


That issue has been discussed within the thread and should be fixed within the next few weeks.

Maybe we, or I, need to start actually posting in the newcomers forums sometimes, I don't know...


If such posting is done properly, we could keep more new users, which would help somewhat.

Also, I don't know if this relates or not, but IMO it seems as if the thread quality has gone down somewhat. Especially in the generic questions and favorites thread period. But it seems like when I came back about a year ago, the discussions were much more interesting than now.


Do you mean that favorites threads should be allowed again? If so, Devoidless would disagree with you because of this quote:

As as side note, I've very sorry for you and everyone else who believes a myriad of pointless threads is the lifeblood of the entire community.


That was from the sticky that disallowed favorites threads. It was a response to MrDayCee saying that disallowing favorites threads is not a good future for Armor Games.

As for my own opinion on favorites threads, I think they should be allowed if there is the opportunity for a good discussion. In other words, only spammy favorites threads should be disallowed.
soccerdude2
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Do you mean that favorites threads should be allowed again?


Sorry about the misinterpretation, but I meant that the favorite threads were low-quality.

That issue has been discussed within the thread and should be fixed within the next few weeks.


Do you mean from what Daleks posted?
I contacted joey and showed him this thread. Joey said that he will mention to Dan about the want/need for a community manager.

If that means I am doing nothing about it then tell me what I can do.

Also I have a backup plan if Dan does not do anything.


I'm sure that is a good idea but from what I've seen of the staff I'm a little skeptical on it actually being completely "fixed" in the next few weeks. I don't really see a fail-safe plan coming into place here.
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I never said that it would be fixed in a few weeks from what I did. What do you think they will do take some guy off the street and make him the manager of the community. That would be dumb. This will take a while. First they will talk about it. Then if they think it is a good idea they will have to find someone. It will take a long time, not just a few weeks.

Salvidian
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What do you think they will do take some guy off the street and make him the manager of the community. That would be dumb. This will take a while. First they will talk about it. Then if they think it is a good idea they will have to find someone. It will take a long time, not just a few weeks.


With the speed of the staff at the moment I'd say to expect at least a 3 month-long wait for even news on the subject.
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Yes, but the problem is that those new users who arrive tend to leave out of the lack of devotion for the community.


I kind of went a little deeper into that in the latter part of my post.

But really, how are we going to get the staff to become more active?


That appears to be the one problem everyone agrees on. If we can find a solution to this problem, we may solve the forum inactivity.


Maybe we, or I, need to start actually posting in the newcomers forums sometimes, I don't know...


If we make the newcomers feel welcome, and give the impression that we want them to remain active, it could possibly bring more activity to the forums.

Maybe we could start some kind of petition or something to present to the Admin?
Salvidian
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Maybe we could start some kind of petition or something to present to the Admin?


Dan knows/will know about the thread. Daleks contacted joeybetz, who in turn contacted Dan on the subject.
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It would be nice if we actually see the the creator actually take interest in the site he is working so hard on.

The social interactions are just as important as the technical interactions.

BRAAINZz
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That appears to be the one problem everyone agrees on. If we can find a solution to this problem, we may solve the forum inactivity.

So far though, this thread is basically a collection of complaining with no real action being done. (Daleks aside)

Maybe we could start some kind of petition or something to present to the Admin?


It doesn't seem like they would pay it any heed.

This is a tragedy, truly. This slump in the forums really doesn't bring hope to me. Even though I'm relatively new, (Joined in September) there has been a huge difference in activity, negatively. In that short time span many people have left an the community has a void where posting belongs. What's worse is that we have to sell our soul for the admins to notice us and even then it's a single sentence reply. It doesn't seem that there is anything we can do either.
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So far though, this thread is basically a collection of complaining with no real action being done.

Personally, this thread has inspired me to be more active in the forums. Relatively, I have no idea if I've actually been posting more, but it certainly feels like it on my end.
It doesn't seem like they would pay it any heed.

Yeah, I think the general response is "It's crunch time at AG with AG3 on the way, so we can't really help you right now." They do tend to sound really nice and forgiving when they say it, but... Not really helpful...
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So far though, this thread is basically a collection of complaining with no real action being done.

I have some thread ideas in mind, I just have to get around to typing them out.
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