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A little tidbit from the sad story of my life:
I am a freshman in high school and have a jock for a brother, I'm on the swim team of which my brother is the captain and will be going out for X country next year. Academically I am far ahead of my time, I am taking an A.P.Chem. class at the high school and am being home schooled in Functions Statistics and Trigonometry (for those of you who don't know Trig. sucks). My family is devoutly Christian and we have been hopping through our area looking for churches for a while. The tragic part of my life lies in the fact that I have had 2 skull fractures (back yard football & playing fetch with my dog) and a broken arm (my bro pushed me off a bunk bed). I also play the clarinet for all you who are wondering
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View all comments »Kasic says:
Posted at 8:07pm on 5/24/2012
"The ordering occurs only is very small objects"
No one is claiming otherwise.
"Also, how would the ordering of these chemicals bring about a change as drastic as evolution?
Evolution is just the term for this ordering/increase in complexity, it's not some magical force that magically improves everything. A theory describes observations and predicts, it doesn't make up whatever.
At some point, the right conditions occurred and that resulted in the first self replicating chemicals.
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB010_1.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB010_2.html
"The only thing that would be order able would be microorganisms. Not regular animals."
I assume you are now past the "how did it start" point and moving onto more complex lifeforms?
At this point, the micro-organisms are organizing themselves.
"here is a link to a site to verify my reference (chem txt book). in the last post"
I wasn't saying you quotemined from the book, but from the site you had previously linked.
Here's what you quoted: ""the maximum entropy of a closed system with constant volume is constant"
but here's the full quote.
"the maximum entropy of a closed system with constant volume is constant, but because the universe is expanding, its maximum entropy is ever increasing, giving ever more room for order to form"
MageGrayWolf says:
Posted at 3:27pm on 5/14/2012
As for the entropy thing, I'm surprised you're still hung up on that point.
MageGrayWolf says:
Posted at 3:23pm on 5/14/2012
Natural selection, gene drift, gene flow and mutation. (keep thinking I'm missing something in there)
Anyway here are a couple of links you can read that will help explain in more detail.
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrar … 0_0/evo_14
http://www.actionbioscience.org/evolution/futuyma.html
Kasic says:
Posted at 2:07pm on 5/14/2012
Just a little something about quote mining from the site you quote mined from.
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CA/CA113.html
Kasic says:
Posted at 12:24pm on 5/14/2012
"Order can come from disorder, it has been proven. but, what I want to know is how this would help the evolutionary views? what are the chemicals/proteins that were ordered to help evolution? Why would the ordering of chemicals help evolution in any way?"
You're looking at it backwards. Evolution originated through that ordering. If you mean further down the line from near the start, it's because they were self replicating and changed over time, with the ones that were more capable of surviving surviving more often, thus leading to more complex forms. The chemicals represent the "how."
"the maximum entropy of a closed system with constant volume is constant"
You know you're a creationist when you quote mine. You left out the second, clarifying part of the quote.
", but because the universe is expanding, its maximum entropy is ever increasing, giving ever more room for order to form"
This isn't even talking about the earth here, it's talking about the universe as a whole. You're taking information, cutting out the part that kills your argument, and then falsely claiming it is saying something else.
"Ok but how do we know that the earth (or wherever evolution happened) had constant volume? "
It doesn't have a 100% constant volume. But the change is negligible. Outside material, such as meteors, would add volume. But that's like saying an ant adds volume to the desert.
"This was not meant to start a debate but to give you an idea of how a creationists mind might work."
I'm well aware of how creationist's minds work. Disregarding factual evidence in favor of supernatural faith, selective memory, and intentionally bogus misrepresentations of scientific theories in order to try and sneak their point past.