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I've been contemplating making this thread for quite some time, because I'm not sure how many people here aside from myself actively go to the gym or workout.

Well, here's a topic where you can talk about a wide range of topics relating to health and fitness. What you do when you workout, your gym experiences, when you started working out, how much you can lift, what you did today while working out/at the gym, etc.

It's always good to be healthy and physically fit, so if you don't currently workout and are lazy, I'd recommend getting into a routine. It does wonders for your body and you'll feel amazing. If you're worried about time or money, don't be. A gym membership only costs around 20 dollars at a local gym and if you have time to be on the internet, you should have time to go to the gym.

As I talk about these topics, at the bottom of some of them I'll be posting some links to reading material on the subject.

Some starting topics:

What supplements are good to use?
I personally only use creatine monohydrate. Whey protein and some other types of protein supplements are good, but I only see those as necessary if you're not intaking enough protein from food.

What creatine monohydrate does is it improves performance and makes you heal more quickly by retaining water in the muscles. Creatine is naturally found in the body, this just enhances it. The only real con to using creatine is having problems with your kidneys, but that's only if you don't drink enough water. You're supposed to drink around a gallon of water a day while on it.

When using creatine, expect to gain 5-10 pounds in water weight and look more swole. Why? Because it retains water in your muscles.

There's been some discussion regarding if you should cycle creatine or not. What that means is if you take it for let's say three months, some people think you should stop taking it for a few weeks, around two weeks. It's not necessary. What you're basically doing is just taking all that creatine that improves performance and heals you more quickly out of your body.

No, creatine is not steroids. When I usually tell people who don't workout that I use creatine, they think it's steroids.

Creatine
Creatine monohydrate

What exercises are good to do at home/that don't involve weights?
Pushups, dips, pullups, squats, planks, crunches, and calve raises. Those are exercises that'll workout your whole body without weights.

Pushups for chest, shoulders, biceps, and triceps. Dips specifically target triceps. It depends on how you do pullups, certain ways will target muscles more than others, but they usually work the back and biceps. By certain ways, I mean underhand and overhand grip. The underhand grip (palms facing you) and having your hands close together will work the biceps more, while overhand and having your hands around shoulder width or wider will do more back action.

Those are good if you don't currently have a gym membership, but most of them are only good for so long. Pullups and dips are the best because they measure your true strength; pulling your entire body up and with dips lowering yourself and pushing up. If you can't already do a reasonable amount (I'd say 10 reps each) of pullups and dips, there's something wrong.

A good schedule for home exercises:
Sunday - Rest
Monday - Pushups and dips
Tuesday - Squats and calve raises
Wednesday - Pullups
Thursday - Dips and pushups
Friday - Squats and calve raises
Saturday - Pullups

You'll see a slight difference from Monday and Thursday. On Monday pushups is the primary, as in you do it first, and dips the secondary. And on Thursday it's the other way around. You also get a few rest days for those muscles alone with that schedule. Once you do a great pushup and dip workout, you don't want to do them again the next day. Your muscles require time to rest and grow.

Again, this will only get you so far. After about a month of doing this stuff it'll seem easy, which is why investing in a gym membership is excellent. It's around twenty dollars a month at most local gyms.

How many days of the week and how long should I workout?
Six days a week with one rest day is what I usually do and recommend. Gives you enough time to target specific muscles and you have a day where you don't do anything.

I also weight train for about an hour and a half then do twenty-thirty minutes of cardio. I don't think I'll increase either of those times, but if you're a beginner at the gym you may want to start lower. I'd say around forty-five minutes of weight training then fifteen minutes of cardio, then work your way up.

Believe me, the first week is very difficult. Halfway through the workout you'll probably feel very tired and sore, and the next day will be even worse. Once you wake up you'll wish that you hadn't worked out, but it pays off. Just stick with a solid schedule and you'll see.

What's good to do at the gym?
It depends on what you're doing there, as in what muscle(s) you're working out that day.

My schedule:
Sunday - Rest
Monday - Chest and shoulders
Tuesday - Biceps and legs
Wednesday - Back and traps
Thursday - Triceps and shoulders
Friday - Legs and biceps
Saturday - Back and traps

I do around 30 sets in total by the time I'm done, depends on the day. It's usually more sets on the days I do legs and biceps. I usually try to do three-four sets on most of the machines that will target those muslces and other things.

Chest and shoulders - 7 sets of flat or incline bench press, 3 sets of flies, 3 sets of seated chest press, 3 sets of seated chest press on another machine, and 3 sets of dumbbell press.
4 sets of shoulder press, 4 sets of seated incline shoulder press, and 4 sets of lateral raises.
Do as many pushups as you can do when you're done.

Biceps and legs - 3 sets of seated preacher curls, 3 sets of standing wide grip curls, 3 sets of standing close grip curls, 3 sets of regular dumbbell curls, 3 sets of hammer curls, and 3 sets of concentration curls.
5 sets of leg press, 5 sets of squats, 5 sets of quad curls, 10 sets of hamstring curls, and 5 sets of calve raises.

Back and traps - 3 sets of regular cable rows, 3 sets of wide cable rows, 3 sets of wide lat pulldowns, 3 sets of regular lat pulldowns, 3 sets of lat rows on machine, 3 sets of dumbbell rows, and 5 sets of deadlifts.
5-10 sets of shrugs and 5 sets of upright rows.
Do as many pullups as you can do when you're done.

Triceps and shoulders - 6 sets of close grip flat bench press, 4 sets of skullcrushers, 4 sets of tricep extensions, and 4 sets of tricep pulldowns.
4 sets of shoulder press, 4 sets of seated incline shoulder press, and 4 sets of lateral raises.
Do as many dips as you can do when you're done.

Legs and biceps - Legs is first and biceps is second, same exercises, but in a different order.

Back and traps - Same exercises, but in a different order.

I may have to do deadlifts on leg day though. I tried to do them earlier and was very tired. It was probably because I did legs yesterday and when doing deadlifts they require leg muscles.
Also, sometimes on back day I'll do extensions. Some people consider it an exercise, but I just use it loosen up my lower back. More of a stretch for me.
Image of back extensions

I'd also like to talk about the subject of traps. They don't help you that much with lifting, it's more of an aesthetic thing. Most people probably don't want to be walking around with a box body. Doing trap exercises makes a big difference in how your body will look.
Just take a look at these two photos:

No traps.
Big traps.

Does the 1 rep max matter?
Well, only on these three exercises: Bench press, deadlift, and squat. Otherwise, no, it doesn't matter. And on those exercises, don't go for your 1 rep max often. It tears a lot of muscle fibers and if you do that weekly you're bound to get injured. I personally only do it once or twice a month.

Anyway, mine are:
Bench press - 290 pounds
Deadlift - 315 pounds
Squat - 250 pounds

Those were the numbers last time I did went for my 1 rep max, which was a week or two ago. I just got back into squats, which is the reason why it's so low. Your squat should be somewhere around your deadlift, never lower than your bench, because your legs are supposed to be stronger than your upper body. But I'll probably get it there in a few weeks.

They say you're not truly strong with weights unless you can lift your body weight on those three exercises. I somewhat agree with that. You should be able to lift up your body weight on those exercises. You're using many muscles with them. I'd also consider being able to do a good amount of pullups and dips a good measure of strength.

What is good form?
It's not using your other muscles when you are trying to work a certain one. For instance, bicep curls. For the love of Talos don't jerk them around; don't use your back, legs, and keep your elbows in the starting position. The only thing that should be moving up is your arm.

Another is bench press. You want to go down and up nice and slow. Control the weight. Don't bounce if off of your chest, don't have a huge arch in your back, don't use your legs, and don't lift your butt off the bench. You're not even working chest anymore if you do those, and the only thing that'll happen over time is that you'll injure yourself. It's okay to have a small arch and pin your shoulders back slightly, but that's it.

It doesn't matter how much people can lift unless they do it with good form. You're not getting proper gains unless it's with good form.

Demonstration video for bicep curls
After that video, look at the featured videos list with her in them and watch.

Demonstration video for bench press

Breathing:
It's important to breathe when working out. I know you guys already breathe, but I mean properly breathing. Such as with bench press. Before you take the weight off the rack, take a deep breath, as you go down keep it in, then release as you go up, repeat. Exhale on the hard parts and inhale on the easy parts. The bench press video above shows how to breathe properly.

How often should I run?
Not that often. Running often will cause muscle atrophy. If you have some excess fat and want to get rid of it, I'd say run for around fifteen minutes a day or every other day. Otherwise you should only walk at a good speed at an angle to keep the blood flowing after weight training or jogging. I personally set the treadmill at an angle so it's like I'm walking up stairs, and I do it for twenty minutes. I tried running last week, and it takes too much out of me. I'm also worried that it'll mess up my gains, because prolonged running will damage your muscles over time.

Marathon runner and sprinter

The importance of stretching, core training, and resting:
I've found that stretching once you wake up and before you sleep helps loosens up your muscles, and when you do this you'll be able to lift weights without pain. I also think that it'll reduce the chances of you injuring yourself. I just do some basic stretches when I wake up and before I sleep for around ten-fifteen minutes.

Core training. This doesn't mean that you need to work for washboard abs. Just stregnthening your core. A strong core will allow you to lift weights easier and reduce the chances of getting a hernia. I do some core training every other day when it's night. I like to do a few sets of crunches and planks. I aim for 100-200 crunches and a few sets of 1-3 minute planks.

It's imperative to have at least one rest day, where you don't work out any of your muscles. It'll repair them and such. It's also good to get at least 8 hours of sleep. That's mostly when they'll repair.
Some people like to have a deload week, and those are good, but I wouldn't do them often. It's a week where you don't workout or do less than what you currently are. It's a solid week of resting and letting your muscle fibers repair themselves. I usually do it after a month of working out, the beginning of next month I'll have a deload week.

The deload week and why you should use it

Bodybuilding or powerlifting?
Well, I like to do both. I mix them in a month together. Such as one week I'll do bodybuilding and one week powerlifting, or sometimes I'll even do a few sets for reps only and a few for power, etc. Bodybuilding is when you go for reps and try to build more muscle.

While with powerlifting you're simply aiming for power. It'll get you stronger, but you won't see as much muscle growth as with bodybuilding. However I like both, mixing in high reps for muscle growth and low reps for power works wonders. Though if you just do one you'll see more results with them. Such as if you just bodybuild you'll build more muscle, and if you'll just build strength.

Bodybuilding
Powerlifting

Intermittent fasting:
Intermittent fasting is when you tell your body when to eat. Such as you eat 2-8 and fast/only drink water for the rest of the time. It's good for getting rid of stubborn fat. I did it for around three weeks before stopping, because I started going to the gym and I workout around noon, so if I were to do what I am now on an empty stomach, I'd probably puke.

How it works:
When you workout on an empty stomach, your body isn't going to use the food as resources, instead it'll use the fat. Then on your fasting period and you drink water, your body will retain it and you won't feel as hungry.

For the first few days you'll probably feel a little sick in your stomach, but that's natural. Your body has to adjust. My first week it felt like I was gonna puke after I ate my first meal, but I didn't and my body soon adjusted.

Note:
Intermittent fasting isn't a diet. You're just telling your body when to eat. It's imperative that you intake all your calories and protein in that eating window.

Intermittent fasting

What should I eat?
I keep my diet high protein and low fat. I'd suggest the same for everyone.

What I normally eat:
Breakfast: Oatmeal or cereal with tuna sandwich, cashews, and orange juice
Lunch: Turkey burger or lean ham/turkey sandwich, tuna, beans, rice, and fruit shake/smoothie
Dinner: Rice, chicken or steak, beans, vegetables, and tea

What I put in the shake/smoothie:
A cup or two of skim milk, 1 frozen banana, 2 strawberries, 2-4 blackberries, and 2 spoons of chocolate nesquik

Excellent health and fitness YouTube channels:
TwinMuscleWorkout
FastingTwins
Scooby1961

There are some others if you look, but those are the only ones I keep track of.

So, today at the gym my dad (workout partner) accidentally broke the cable row machine. He usually does the whole stack on the machines, but it seems like this one couldn't handle it and/or the wire was worn out. It was hilarious, because as it broke he fell backwards. It was around the start of our workout.

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Skeleton_Pilot
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When do you find it the earliest time to start working out?


I didn't take it up until I was 14, near the beginning of my freshman year of high school... but I've known plenty of people who started much earlier.

Start when you're ready, and not a moment sooner!
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I suggest starting when you understand what it takes to get bigger and stronger. Just the basics. The sooner the better, but there's no rush. About three years ago, when I was around fourteen, I tried lifting for the first time. Did it for about two months, but I had no idea what I was doing. Despite being a beginner, I made little progress. This past summer, however, I started up again, this time taking a wiser, more flexible approach. I put on about ten pounds of lean muscle mass and dropped in body fat percentage after two months. You have to want it for yourself though and not because a few teachers have skewed perceptions of social interaction among students.

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Okay, my chest and triceps feel fine today, so I'm gonna go ahead and workout. I've had Friday as my rest day so that my whole body can rest before doing deadlifts. Doing overhead press/etc on Friday would probably hinder my deadlift because the core and lower back are important on that exercise.

Last time I did chest/shoulders/triceps was on Monday, so I should be fine. That's two whole days and some hours of no upper body pushing movements.

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Last night I realised I've been doing the overhead press incorrectly. I corrected it today. I've just been bringing it down to my eyes/nose, but today I went all the way down.

Overhead press:
100 - 10
115 - 8
115 - 8
100 - 10
I felt the difference today.

Front raise (dumbbells):
25 x 4 - 10

Rear delts (machine):
80 - 10
80 - 8
80 - 8
60 - 10

Flat dumbbell press:
70 - 10
80 - 10
80 - 10
80 - 7
Chest ran out of gas on that last set, because at first it felt like the others, but when I got to the 5th rep I started struggling.

Flat dumbbell flies:
35 x 4 - 10

Close grip bench press:
185 - 10
185 - 8
185 - 8
185 - 6

Cable push downs (v-bar)
120 x 4 - 12

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Rest day. Didn't really eat much today because my parents have yet to go grocery shopping, so I'm not sure how I'll do tomorrow.

Concluded I'm not doing enough lat/bicep exercises, so I'm going to decrease the amount of deadlifts I do to 6 (instead of 8) and add a lat and bicep exercise for 4 sets each; try to keep the reps 10-12 and keep the leg exercises as is.

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When do you find it the earliest time to start working out?


I started going to the gym regular very recently, and it's nice to have that strength.

I've been running every day that I can since the beginning of 8th grade, and I haven't gained a pound since. I went from average looking to skeleton looking, because I was never a heavy eater, and I've always been pretty active, even outside exercise.

Lifting for 2 months, running for almost 4 years or so, and I have a pretty good body.

I know you're a little larger, killersup, so I'd recommend a lot of cardio. Heart disease is never good. So start now!
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When I start cutting in January/February I'll have to run a lot, among other things. I think I'll be running half an hour every other day or something like that. When that time comes I'm gonna aim for 220 pounds (current bodyweight is 250). I think I looked best when I was 210, I wasn't ripped like Ogus or any of them when they're in competition form (I'd probably have to get down to 180-190 to look similar to that), but that's not a goal for me. I just want to get rid of excess fat while retaining as much muscle and strength and being able to build it back up quickly.

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The deadlift is probably my favourite exercise right now, it just makes me feel so powerful.

Deadlift:
250 - 6
280 - 4
315 - 2
365 - 1
365 - 1
365 - 1
It's been increasing by around 10 pounds every week. When I did that first set of 365 I felt like I could've done more, it went up like nothing, but I don't want to overdo it. This way of deadlifting is working so no reason to change it. Only 40 more pounds till I reach my goal.

Lat rows (hammer strength, each arm):
100 - 10
100 - 8
90 - 10
90 - 8

Dumbbell curls (regular, standing):
35 - 10
35 - 10
35 - 8
30 - 10

Leg press (hamstrings):
450 - 15
585 - 15
720 - 12
720 - 12

Hamstring curls (lying):
75 - 10
75 - 10
75 - 8
75 - 8

Calves (standing):
220 x 3 - 10
180 - 10

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I do at leasr 15 Julie Jacks every day! xD The story behind this is in P.E. on Wednesdays we watch a Biggest Loser workout video. There's an easy version and a hard version of every excercise. Anyway, the "easy version" of jumping jacks is where you take a step to the side and clap your hands above your head instead of jumping. For whatever reason everyone started calling them "Julie Jacks".

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Doing jumping jacks probably won't help much with anything unless you're really obese, but even then there are better cardio exercises to do, like walking/jogging and swimming.

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I know. I don't even do jumping jacks. I just wanted to bring the Julie Jacks thing up.

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I'm surprised I have no soreness today, I expected some lower back soreness because of deadlifts, but there's nothing.

Rest day, tomorrow is chest/shoulders/triceps. I'm gonna keep my bench press between 8-10 reps so I can build up more stamina.

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Flat bench press:
225 - 10
225 - 10
225 - 8
225 - 6

Incline dumbbell press:
70 - 9
70 - 8
70 - 7
70 - 7

Flat dumbbell flies:
35 - 10
45 - 10
45 - 8
45 - 8

Dumbbell shoulder press:
60 - 6
50 - 8
50 - 7
50 - 6
Did poorly on these because I didn't have much back support. I had to use this one bench that didn't cover your upper back. So my lower back was on the bench, but my upper back didn't have anything behind it.

Lateral raise (dumbbells, standing):
25 x 4 - 10

Skull crushers (ez-curl bar, seated):
75 - 12
85 - 10
85 - 10
85 - 8

Cable push downs (v-bar):
120 - 12
130 - 12
140 - 12
150 - 10
Underestimated myself here, next time I'll start out with around 140.

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This man is a beast.
Deadlifts 700+ pounds like it's nothing, no straps or belt. That means incredible grip strength and impressive core/lower back strength. He didn't use straps or a belt at all in the vid, and in the middle of it he just goes to bench press 460 pounds with no leg drive for reps.

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This man is a beast.
Deadlifts 700+ pounds like it's nothing, no straps or belt. That means incredible grip strength and impressive core/lower back strength. He didn't use straps or a belt at all in the vid, and in the middle of it he just goes to bench press 460 pounds with no leg drive for reps.


Da hell? I'd probably die if I did that. Jesus...
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