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Asherlee
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Introduction

I was watching something on National Geographic the other day and something about asexuals came up. I was a bit intrigued, but they did not go into as much detail as I wanted. I figured that sense we have a good group of discussioners (just made that word up), then we could all learn something.

What is Asexuality?

Wikipedia says: Asexuality describes individuals who do not experience sexual attraction and is considered by some to be a sexual orientation.[1] Asexuality as a human sexual orientation has only been recognized and defined in a few academic studies since the late 1970s, and a community of self-identified asexuals has only coalesced since the start of the 21st century, aided by the widening popularity of online communities.[1] One commonly cited study placed the incidence rate of asexuality at 1%.[2] Asexuality is not the same as celibacy, which is the deliberate abstention from sexual activity; many asexuals do have sex,[3] and most celibates are not asexual.

How does this fit into the Kinsey Sexuality Scale?

Alfred Kinsey was aware of an asexual element in the population but did little to investigate it. His Kinsey scale of sexual orientation consisted of a single axis lying between heterosexuality and homosexuality with bisexuality in between, and thus left no place for asexuality. In the Kinsey Reports of 1948 and 1953, subjects were scaled from 0 (completely heterosexual) to 6 (completely homosexual), but a separate category of X was created for those with "no socio-sexual contacts or reactions".[4][5] He labeled 1.5% of the adult male population as "X"

Questions

1. Is asexuality even real? I am skeptical. I don't see how one could be asexual given the hormones we all have.

2. Do you think it is purely sexual or does it involve romantic notions?

3. Given that it is real and does exist, could it be a result of a trauma?

4. Would you classify this as a mental disorder given the fact that their body has the right hormones, etc?

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icuzizzi
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idk i could never be asexual i'm way to girl crazy

in the end its just like being gay it's their decision and as long as they want to be asexual they can be assexual.

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[quote="icuzizzi"]idk i could never be asexual i'm way to girl crazy
in the end its just like being gay it's their decision and as long as they want to be asexual they can be assexual.[/quote]
Which raises the issue of gay being simply a decision or being born that way...

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Being asexual is not a choice. It is not being able to get turned on by anything, as well as seing both boys and girl as nothing but friends.
Some might say that homosexuality sometimes is a choice, but asexuality is not.

PixelSmash
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How can homosexuality be a choice sometimes - and why would this differ from asexuality? I don't understand...

Cenere
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Someone chosing to be homesexual, because it makes one stand out. It is not real homosexuality, though.

Asexuality is really against nature, being unable to feel attracted to either gender, and thus have no need for reproduction. Homosexuality is natural, actually.

ParalysisTerror
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Its like being a sociopath!


oh GOD you AGAIN

you just can't stay off this site can you?
ParalysisTerror
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More like retards cant keep me off the site.


I just love replying to your pathetic posts, it's very entertaining to me
ParalysisTerror
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oh, is that it?
please, why can't you just leave an never come back

Kid_Saiyain
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Ah, to psychoanalyse, or to medicalise...that is the question.
One could do either or even both, seeing as labels are political but also presumably reflective of something else. Here's two examples:
1) A friend of mine called himself asexual because of a reaction to a crisis of sexual identity. I myself, in my latter stages of school, took up the asexual banner as a stand against what I saw to be the stifling heternormative construct that tended to dominate school social dynamics. At the time I said "well I don't appear to have homosexual inclinations" and also "I don't have any interest in this sleazy world of picking up chicks etc." so I said "fine, I'm asexual."
I would, however, note that in many cases (mine included) the 'asexual' label can often be a way of hiding skeletons in the closet.
2) The partner of another friend of mine had a stroke which precipitated alcoholic dementia, after which (as can commonly be the case for this kind of presentation), they completely lost the conception of 'sex' and the ability to be aroused. This would, I suppose, in a medical sense make them 'asexual' but seeing as they were in a same-sex relationship this would differ from the identity-politic domain of previous...perhaps that person considered themselves still homosexual due to their relationship. I wasn't clear on that detail as it didn't appear particularly relevant.
One has to remember that any discussion pertaining to 'sexuality' and various orientations, predilections and 'alternatives' fall under the current rhetoric (which I hold to be unwieldy), and thus confound a whole bunch of domains. We had difficulty making any semblance of a definition of homosexuality. Hell, I bet the same would apply to heterosexuality. And given that the reported sample space is so small here, it'd be even harder to define 'asexuality'.
Also, by psychiatric definition (DSM-IV TR recommendations...which I support in this case), something isn't a pathology unless it causes much distress or maladaptive functioning. From above, the former wasn't pathological (assuming that could even be called 'asexual'...the latter most certainly was. More for the partner of said dementia patient.
Speaking of which, personally I wonder what would happen if we ran a series on the 'araphilias'.


English please...

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The partner of another friend of mine had a stroke which precipitated alcoholic dementia, after which (as can commonly be the case for this kind of presentation), they completely lost the conception of 'sex' and the ability to be aroused.


Issues, what kind of people does Strop hang out with??? Creepy...

I believe asexuality is like homosexuality...tramatic experiences and physical brain damage are the causes of both of them.
Zophia
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English please...
What do you mean? That post you quoted contained near-perfect English, with proper grammar structure and use of words. Learn to read, will ya?
Issues, what kind of people does Strop hang out with??? Creepy...
Probably not creepy, more likely just different than what you are used to. Diverse from your perception of norms, possibly, but why would you care?
I believe asexuality is like homosexuality...tramatic experiences and physical brain damage are the causes of both of them.
Ha! I think we covered stuff like that in the homosexuality thread. Let's not start here as well, at least on the homosexual side of your statement.
Traumatic experience might possibly cause asexual behavior and thought patterns, but it also occurs without such things...
mentorso123
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Wait, are we talking about asexuality in humans or in life? Fungi are asexual, buds.

mentorso123
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Oh, look, its a retard. He thinks that homosexuality comes from people getting brain damage. What a *******!

Wow... are you kidding? Do you even know what mental retardation is? It's in the brain too.
Your problem is in your mouth, you just can't hold it shut.
Parsat
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I'm not sure brain damage can turn you gay, but I have a hard time swallowing that "you're born with it." It seems a lot like a copout from the real issue.

Strop
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...I can't be bothered deleting all the inappropriate flaming, but I took a note of the incriminating posts. Any more like that and I'll start banning, kthnx.

I'm not sure brain damage can turn you gay, but I have a hard time swallowing that "you're born with it." It seems a lot like a copout from the real issue.


That statement probably requires dissection. Since the homosexuality thread seems to have sunk a few pages back (surprisingly), I'll deal with it here.

I am also skeptical of the "you're born with it", to the extent that I'm skeptical of certain uses of the statement "God created everything" (seeing as I'm non-theist agnostic). That is to say that in some way or another both could be construed to be true but in what sense, if any, is this actually meaningful?

I have an answer for the former, at least. "You're born with it" most properly refers to arguments that support the existence of a hardwired sexual orientation. Proving such a thing is difficult obviously because the only real indicators of sexual orientation is sexual behavior, and behavior itself is influenced by a plethora of factors.

Nonetheless I'm of the belief that there is some use for believing that to some extent (or a variable extent), individuals are predisposed to their own sexual behaviors, just as they are predisposed to other behaviors. There is no fundamental/taxonomical difference between 'sexual' behavior and other 'social' behaviors. The only reason people make such a big deal of it is due to the cultural significance of sex.

Which is where the "you're born with it" starts to become a copout: in the political arena. "You're born with it" is frequently used as a catch-all, the bottom line of many an argument in which constructive "fact-bashing" has ground to a halt. It is also used to preempt such arguments by conclusively asserting that there is nothing you can do otherwise...or rather there is nothing you can do to persuade the person to engage any points to the contrary.

That's not good argumentation and like saying "GOD CREATED EVERYTHING THEREFORE EVOLUTION IS A CROCK", it just leaves so much out. That's why to me it's a copout from the real issues, because it precludes discussion of such.

I have no idea whether brain damage can change your sexual orientation per se. I have however seen how sexual behavior changes in certain cases of brain damage, in particular frontal lobe lesions.

For what it's worth I can trace my psychosexual roots a long way back and they've stayed pretty consistent despite my self-beliefs and perceived orientation changing. Perhaps it is fair to say that I was "born" with something, but retrospective analysis is always limited.

Issues, what kind of people does Strop hang out with??? Creepy...


First as Zophia said, I was speaking English. I'd go so far to say that it was perfect English insofar as I made no grammatical or spelling errors.

People who tell me to 'speak English' can expect to get e-backhanded because for one it's rude, and for another I don't speak any other language except a smattering of French.

Also you'll eventually learn that the world is full of all sorts and not every single one of them are creepy. At least I hope so.
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Your sexual orientation may in fact be caused by some brain injury, but it's also cause by your up-bringing. For example, if a female was abused by a male relative, it's common for some to become lesbian. It's the same for males being abused by a women. They want to run away from whatever caused them pain. In this case, it's the opposite sex altogether.

seeing as I'm non-theist agnostic

What exactly does this mean? I have a friend who's agnostic, but he never gives me a straight answer... I'm honestly just curious, I don't want to make trouble. I respect your opinion, not saying I completely agree, but that's the beauty of diversity.
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