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(Reuters) - A Connecticut man responding to his sister's call for help during an apparent burglary at her home next door, shot and killed a masked intruder who turned out to be his own teenage son, state police said on Friday.
Tyler Giuliano, 15, was wearing a ski mask and appeared to be armed when he was shot on Thursday by his father, who authorities declined to identify, said Lieutenant J. Paul Vance, a spokesman for the Connecticut State Police.
The father's sister, who lives next door, was home alone before 1 a.m. when she called him to report someone trying to break into her home. The father went over to investigate and was approached by a masked person dressed entirely in black and holding a shiny object, police said in a statement.
"Believing the suspect was armed with a weapon and about to attack him, the (father) discharged his personal handgun at the suspect," police said in the statement.
Giuliano was pronounced dead at the scene.
i was wondering if you guys knew about this. and what your though on it is.
for me it's just clear that this couldn't have happend if gun were not on the public market.
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Say whatever you want, here in Israel we dont fear that a criminal with a knife will assult you.
Don't fear /= No reason to fear.
the father have a premition to be an executiner
He shouldn't have gone for kill shots, if that's what you mean. He also shouldn't have shot the gun at all if it could have been avoided.
So yeah. Father goofed and kid was messed up. It was a bad, uncommon situation that is not by any means an accurate thing to extrapolate all gun owners/situations on.
there are no cloaktowers snipers, and no crazy kids rampages, people dont kill the boss or crow workers, peopel dont get shot for how they dress
So a few events a year, in a population over 300 million...those people were messed up to begin with. Even if they didn't have a gun, they would have carried out their crime another way.
You're arguing from extreme events and trying to make it sound like they happen all the time. They don't.
you make yourself look like a bunch of hillybillies who shoot afro-americans and hispanic peopels on the streets.
You make yourself look extremely ignorant by basing all your views on over-exaggerated stereotypes.
Btw, Danielo. You're comparing how often stuff happens in Israel to the U.S.A. right? Well, take the amount of crimes involving guns you hear about and multiply them by 43. That's how it compares statistically.
So, one rampage by some crazy dude out of a population of 7 million is equivalent to 43 crazy dudes in the U.S.A. rampaging. You can call numbers all you want, but proportions need to be taken into account.
If you do find a robber, and you are not a small kid, you start to shout and yrll at him, he will run away.USA lieing to iself that gun are a normal thing fora modern country. its not. you make yourself look like a bunch of hillybillies who shoot afro-americans and hispanic peopels on the streets.
Ok so what do you do when the robber wants to hurt you what if hes a rapist and your a woman? Lay down and submit to being *****?
Hey moron yes moron because you are to retarded to come up with a valid argument other then the race card.
Self defense is not a race issue.
"there is no guns in most of the western world"
LOL Yes there is, what about the cartels in mexico?
"adn want to hear a secret? the police does help. so maybe they wont catch a burgler on the spot. but its not your job in the modern world. you cant arrest people. you cant shoot peoples.
I don't know about Israel, but police in America are REALLY slow.
"USA lieing to iself that gun are a normal thing fora modern country."
It's normal to us, we don't have a huge ancient history full of sword fights, every war we've been in we have used guns.
I don't know about Israel, but police in America are REALLY slow.
1) Israel's police force is proportionally much larger.
2) They aren't that slow. Give them some credit. They're just too slow for if you're in immediate danger.
Hey moron yes moron because you are to retarded to come up with a valid argument other then the race card.
Watch the personal attacks.
[quote]Watch the personal attacks
Yeah ok its ok for him to insult me (a black guy) but wrong for me to point out his retardness ok.
USA lieing to iself that gun are a normal thing fora modern country. its not. you make yourself look like a bunch of hillybillies who shoot afro-americans and hispanic peopels on the streets.
Well, no. The right to bear arms has nothing to do with how modern today's society is. As for looking like a bunch of hillbillies, that's just anti-gun propaganda.
Also, do refrain from name calling please, thanks.
And here is question - so even if the poor kid was a thief. the father have a premition to be an executiner? execute the thief on the spot? even when we encouter terrorists we never shoot ot kill. even if he has knife. the most majority of them are in prison, not in cemeteries. Kids at the age of 18 but trained very well, who dont kill when they panic.
Most of the time, things don't work out the way presented in the story. This story was a freak accident built off of a huge misunderstanding.
Again, I can point to a number of stories were people have used guns to save lives. You say that criminals just run away when you shout at them, but this isn't Dora the Explorer. There are many situations where people who can't defend themselves are harmed in numerous ways, physically and mentally.
Again, there are many people who have used guns to save lives. Many people who have been physically inferior to their attacker who leveled the playing field. There's a problem with gun violence in America, but we can't blame guns. As stated so many times before, there are varying levels of gun crimes throughout America, where often the most strict gun control cities have the most gun crimes.
Obviously there's more to consider, we can't just look at the number of gun crimes and how strict gun control is. We should see if we can find any other correlations. We should look and see how many of these gun crimes come from gangs or have anything to do with the drug trade.
I apologize, I didn't realize the first thing I quoted from geedds was a quote from someone else.
Still, refrain from name calling.
Yeah ok its ok for him to insult me (a black guy) but wrong for me to point out his retardness ok.
He insulted you by having a different opinion. Unless I missed it, he didn't say anything having to do with race.
I would like people to think: What if he was trying to actually steal from his Aunt? That wouldn't mean it was justified, but why was he wearing a ski mask and coming in like a burglar anyways?
And here is question - so even if the poor kid was a thief. the father have a premition to be an executiner? execute the thief on the spot? even when we encouter terrorists we never shoot ot kill. even if he has knife. the most majority of them are in prison, not in cemeteries. Kids at the age of 18 but trained very well, who dont kill when they panic.
Not a "executor" just a home defender its not like he told the kid to get on his knees then shot him in the back of the head, he saw the kid with a ski mask and a knife and felt threatened and shot him protect his family. I would do the exact same thing.
That my point! Almost everyone have gun in USA. Every mental healthy man can have a gun.
One of the first thing you learn when recruting to the IDF is " purity of arms". Its vert tempting to shot. Very easy. Almost *click* boom he is dead. But you have to control yourself. If not banning guns, utlist declear that every man have to take some "lessons". Not everyone can handle such responsebilty. Its a killing machin, not a toy. "Feel threat", people feel this way by many things.
Here a story. I was arguing with a class mate on politics. Im left winger, he his right/almost fashist winger. We argue on our way to class. Then some of his friends came. Befor i could even move, i found myself sorrunded by peoples, 'bullies', that call me traitor. One of them said he want that ill day. I was frighten, couldnt breath. Then the dude who argue with me move them off, said he is sorry about them and went on.
Im telling you, if i hade a pistol in my pocket that momment, i would propebly be in jail right now. I truely understand the father. When you feel threaten, you act. No thinking. And when you have gun, its simple. You 'just' pull the trigger. Boom.
Does some furnitur worth more than human life? Does it worth to shoot a guy who is so desperye for your TV?
How many times as kids you so wanted to revenge a bully? Kill him maybe?
Its just dont worth it.
And sorry if i sounded racist. Didnt tried toinsult any human (hate the word "race".
PS i found it quite funny that when an Israeli soliders accedently shot a kid while under fire, he get called "children murdurer" But here its not the shooter fault (it is not hes fault).
Sorry on first sentence.
Many is the word. I do know that most people dont have one in USA.
Does some furnitur worth more than human life?
If a person is threatening to kill for it, then apparently it is to them.
Does it worth to shoot a guy who is so desperye for your TV?
When a robber's only intention is to take the stuff, why would they hold a weapon?
To feel protected. In most cases, they dont bring wepones.
You guys talk like thiefs are people who kill everyone in there way with a brutal knife. Mostly its just the shooter, who is in stress, see something in the thief hand, and have no time to find out if its a phone or a wepone.
So in my opinion, peoples who want gun dont need only to practice in a range, but also on the mental side, of keeping calm with the gun. Dont be paniced. Paniced man do mistakes.
Almost everyone have gun in USA
Some basic figures
So no, not almost everyone. Around half. This will vary depending on the area.
As for the rest of that post...I generally agree. This doesn't mean that people shouldn't be allowed to have firearms though.
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