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Dammet, when i said "mongols" i meant ginges khan, not the modern country of mongolia....

I know ginges, dude. I dont say he was a "crazy asias" like most think. i meant the pillaging skills. the ride in, taking everything and getting out like a storme. i mean, with all the respect to the mongol army and law, they pretty much shacked everywher they went outside there "home" territory, wher the settled down. and im not sure about the law thing, as much as modern it was for the time.
Ginges was a great leader, for his peoples. he was quite cruel to his enemies. and on that im talking.

Ok fine, vikings are good enough??? i hope that no denish or norwigian will hate me now...

So you mean the guy who united an entire country and had the best laws that wasn't seen until the 1900's and is still better than America's current laws? That's who I'm talking about.

these "thieves" are not nomads from other country who come, pillage and run way. they are peoples!

and when i said Nomads, i meant raid parties.

i meant the pillaging skills. the ride in, taking everything and getting out like a storme.

Ok fine, vikings are good enough???

he united a country my killing massive amounts of people for no reason. ***** about every woman he came across whit.
the only reason he united people was because everyone feared him.
if you just said anything he didn't like. you were dead.

his laws are better then usa's current laws?
sorry im not a fan of the usa laws myself. but atleast they do not kill entire city's in their own territory to show the rest of their citizens that they have to obay the law.
ofcourse out of fear they will obay the law. but does that justice the death of a entire city?

it's good to be proud of your nations history. but you can also take it a step to far.

1 66 million Second World War 20C
2 40 million Mao Zedong (mostly famine) 20C
40 million Genghis Khan 13C
4 27 million British India (mostly famine) 19C
5 25 million Fall of the Ming Dynasty 17C
6 20 million Taiping Rebellion 19C
20 million Joseph Stalin 20C
8 18½ million Mideast Slave Trade 7C-19C
9 17 million Timur Lenk 14C-15C
10 16 million Atlantic Slave Trade 15C-19C
11 15 million First World War 20C
15 million Conquest of the Americas 15C-19C
13 13 million An Lushan Revolt 8C
14 10 million Xin Dynasty 1C
10 million Congo Free State 19C-20C
16 9 million Russian Civil War 20C
17 7½ million Thirty Years War 17C
7½ million Fall of the Yuan Dynasty 14C
19 7 million Fall of Rome 5C
7 million Chinese Civil Wars 20C

The number after the event is what century.

source

~~~Darth Caedus

No one was happy in the age wher ginges lived. most were poor peasent who died at the age of 30, lived in mud, ate mud and dranke mud. no happines there.

the other few were nobility. the one who served ginges were maybe happy, and his own clansman were happy, because of morale. but the other nation nobility, for exmple turkministan, were dead. or throwen to the street as there lands were taken. no happines here too.

So who was happy? mongolia? most of them stayed poor farmers. The only happy peoples were the drunk, and happy for some momment, and ginges party, friends and family, and his loyal nobility.
Maybe the citizens of his favorite city lived a bit better, like in samarkand, but the poor peoples of baggdad didnt. they got slaughtered. same in some places in China.

spying, treason, desertion, theft, and adultery, and persistent bankruptcy in the case of merchants were all punishable by execution.

So, my summary - no one was 'happy' in medieval, exept the very rich and the nobility, which often were the same.

All bolded things are wrong. They also weren't living in fear of Chingis Khan. In fact, they were mostly happy.

The number after the event is what century.

Those numbers were a response to what you said about ghengis khan.

stuff hasn't really changed, it is still just as bad as it was back then.

~~~Darth Caedus

Yep. When we make ourselve stereotipes or even fear, it much easy to shoot someone. I dont want to offence, but look at the USAians posts. its like shooting a thiefe is a natural, blessed thing. You can do it. its ok.

I yet think its not ok, but who am i to say that? i live in another socity, diffrunte culture as it seems.

And here a question - is that a circle? thieves got more violante because land owner start shooting? who came first, the chicken or hte egg?

its like shooting a thiefe is a natural, blessed thing. You can do it. its ok.

Ah ah ah, it's shooting a robber, not a thief. A thief wouldn't have been this stupid.

Also, the thieves came first, why the heck would a landowner just kill some random person, instigating the invention of the thief?

He didn't ask whether the thief itself came first or not; he was talking about their violence. People breaking into your house only wear guns because the residents started shooting at them.