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Poloturtle3000
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I was doing some research on biokinetics and it started to creep me out. what is everyone's thoughts? Biokinetics can train their minds to shape the way their genes are structured. Essentially changing someone's body to fit their will (changing eye colour, faster metabolism or even grow wings) I also saw that they can kill others or save people from diseases. eventually not feeling the effects of being cold. it just scares me but I have nothing against them.

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rayoflight3
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I was disappointed to see that this has nothing to do with enzymes.

Poloturtle3000
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I can never remember anything about enzymes so I am glad it stayed simple.

Kasic
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Could you provide some links? This sounds like a mixture between conspiracy and pseudoscience, and my preliminary searches didn't bring up anything close to what you said.

Koru7
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[url=http://www.wingmakers.co.nz/Biokinesis.html]
This is a good link. And i think that this is really cool. but dangerous.and the steps to use this and other kinesis's are pretty easily found if you want to try it. I mean i know it's pretty crazy to think that it is possible today, but in later years, i hope that this becomes a part of life.

on a side note, you would think that if it is possible to use today, that the techniques on how to do them would be well protected. not on the internet :P

xeano321
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Link fix for Koru.

Sounds interesting, but I don't think I would try it out... Sounds kind of risky.

Also, considering the internet is the birthplace of many false rumors and hoaxes, there is an excellent chance that this doesn't even exist.

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I think you'll find this to be fake. Becoming superhuman through thinking? The body doesn't work that way, no matter how hard you meditate. If it was possible, then wouldn't the writer of that article of already successfully acheived this? Otherwise, how would he/she know that this technique worked?
Don't pay attention to these things, they're fake.

Masterforger
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Why, if this was possible, do this? Why shape yourself so you are beautiful? Because, if everyone did this, then no one could be considered pretty, or beautiful, because they could change at a whim. Beauty can only be defined by that which is not beautiful.

rayoflight3
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The term "genes" is thrown around too loosely in that article. If the article were grounded in a more scientific foundation, I'd be inclined to believe it.

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Sonatavarius
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That article is a bunch of garbage. It poses hypotheticals and then never mentions anything in reality even half way relevant... or anything in reality at all. You can't tell an inanimate object to do something and it do it. You might be able to strain so hard that you traumatize something in your eyes so much that you alter your eye color, but that is not changing your genes (and I doubt that is possible). I have a friend that is a twin... said friend got beat up and curb stomped really bad one time. This traumatic head injury changed the color of his eyes. I don't understand it, but his eyes were no longer the same color as his twins or how they were before they kicked his face in. Something like that may be possible... but saying you can tell your body to change its DNA and the body be sentient enough to understand and follow orders like that on a subconscious level is ridiculous. Biokinetics as presented is fantasy.

The body dies for many reasons. Cells die for many reasons. One of these reasons is that telomeres on the ends of chromosomes get cut off more and more with each replication and the cell eventually runs out of garbage dna to cut off and starts cutting off DNA that actually codes for stuff... this is when you start having problems. If you could think/meditate on turning on the genes that express the enzymes that add back lost telomeres, then you wouldn't be "telling" it to do anything. You would just happen to be somehow inducing a chemical state by chance that somehow caused that gene that isn't normally expressed outside of the testicles (and maybe other places... I'm going from memory here) to be expressed. You can't say "hey, body... I need you to swap a G in for an A at this specific locus on this specific chromosome" ...let alone doing it for every cell in the body. I'm sure there may be some wild and crazy thing you can induce in weird ways,... but enzymes are (in an extremely simplified explanation) really tiny chains of atoms that act like magnets. These magnets don't feel or think, they just bond with molecules that happen to be able to bond with them during times when they're able to bond (they may be bonded to something else that prevents bonding by other molecules..so something that would normally bond may not bond at times for that reason). Due to how things shift around when an enzyme just happens to bond other molecules may be added to whatever it's bonded to or they may be removed... or whatever else I'm forgetting. There are regulatory mechanisms in the body that you can stimulate and make work through unnatural means... like people with a crushed spinal cord at a certain point will lose nervous system control of urination, but they can (if certain parts are intact) utilize a reflexive pressure arc in that area to apply pressure with their hands on that region and make themselves urinate when they need to. There is no science behind biokinetics as presented. There would have to be a God that exists and that entity would need to give you special hax powers to do that.

It has been my experience that people who believe in this sort of thing have no knowledge of the science behind the phenomena they're talking about. There are times when miraculous things just happen to happen after someone just happened to have done something ridiculously off the wall making the ridiculous practice seen to be valid. If it is found to be valid, then there is always a scientific/logical reason behind it... whether or not we have discovered it... unless there happens to be a God and he likes to play games with us.

To be able to do the things presented we would need to develop really tiny robots that we could somehow control with our minds or the more realistic alternative would be controlling them with a computer. Then... and only then... could we "think it" and make our bodies change accordingly.

Poloturtle3000
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That helps put a new light on the subject. I just wasn't sure If I was the only one thinking this way. Thank you. It puts my mind at ease but gives me more to think about.

rayoflight3
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Something like that may be possible... but saying you can tell your body to change its DNA and the body be sentient enough to understand and follow orders like that on a subconscious level is ridiculous.


To be fair, the existence of the placebo effect is evidence that if the brain really does believe something, changes in the body can take place. Of course, these are not changes in the genome.
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To be fair, the existence of the placebo effect is evidence that if the brain really does believe something, changes in the body can take place


That is biofeedback, which is proven to work. But that is used for like headaches, muscle aches, minor pains, etc
Sonatavarius
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There are dysfunctions your brain can get into that can be chemically based or solely on a psychological level. It's like a software problem as opposed to a hardware problem. That is different from telling your body to rewrite its genetic code. The placebo effect can and most of the time does have explained reasons for working. It is in no way possible to communicate with your body in the way it was presented. I'm sure there are some really radical things that are possible out there that would take me by surprise, but they would undoubtedly be explainable. If you know how atoms work, then you know that simple enzymes does not a brain make. You can't communicate with them. You can just regulate whether or not they're made and/or are able to function (pH and other things can neutralize enzymes or make them work differently). To be able to communicate on our level like we're doing now with expressing complex ideas you need to have a brain and other parts... on the molecular and atomic level a brain isn't possible. The communication referenced when cells communicate is talking about a complex system of chemical reactions that just happen to happen in our favor. Cells and molecules by themselves are unthinking, unknowing, unfeeling, and not able to know what you're talking about.

The phenomena of how we as people that are made of complex systems of cells and molecules can think, know, feel, and analyze things is as far as I know still relatively unknown. I'm sure we've poked holes in the mystery, but we don't know everything.

Saying you can rewrite your genetic code the way you want it to be is akin to magic. Saying that the brain can fall into dysfunction without being injured, and saying that the software can be altered with meditation or even just talking about pent up emotions is not akin to magic.

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