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Discuss. General Tavern rules apply. (No mudslinging, be respectful, etc.)
I'll open with the statement that people should not have guns. No one at all, except the armed forces, and even then, keep the guns on the bases. Cops should carry riot shields and armor instead of guns. If they need crowd control, use Water Cannons.
Supporting evidence: the following skit:
What's your reason?
Setting: A gun shop, modern day.
A Customer walks into the gun shop and asks the Shopkeeper, "Hi, i'd like to buy a gun please."
The Shopkeeper pulls out an application form and asks the customer "Alright, what's your reason for wanting to buy a gun?"
The Customer says "I need one for personal protection."
The Shopkeeper nods. "I have just the thing for you, I guarantee you cannot get any more personal protection than this baby right here. What i'm about to show you offers so much protection, it can stop a shotgun shell."
The customer, very interested, stares at a full-size Riot Shield, the kind the police use. He scoffs. "That's not what I want, I want a gun!"
The Shopkeeper shrugs. "Are you sure? This fine piece of equipment will protect you more than a gun ever will! It's very strong, reinforced titanium and kevlar..." by now, the angry Customer has left.
Later, another Customer enters. "Hi, I need a gun."
Again, the Shopkeeper clicks his pen and pulls out an application form. "For what reason?" he asks.
The Customer hesitates, than says "Hunting."
The shopkeeper smiles. "Of course! I love to hunt. Hunting is a wonderful sport. I guarantee that this item will give you the maximum amount of satisfaction you can ever get from hunting! Here, this is the sport at its peak." And he pulls out a Crossbow, complete with crosshairs for better accuracy.
The customer shakes his head. "No, I want a gun." he states.
The shopkeeper reluctantly puts away the Crossbow. "Are you sure? With a gun, it's so...boring, just pulling a trigger. And it's unfair to the animal, with this you give the deer a chance and have to chase it for up to an hour, just like the Native Americans did back in the day! Unless of course..." He fails to finish his sentence, as the pissed off customer has left in a huff.
Later, a third customer walks in. "Hi, I'd like to buy a gun." he says.
The shopkeeper holds his pen at the ready. "For what reason, sir?" he asks.
The customer glares. "I dont need a reason, read the god **** second amendment "THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS." It's in the constitution you idiot!
The shopkeeper merely smiles. "Of course, I have the perfect thing for you. This gun is covered under Second Amendment laws, guaranteed!" And he holds up a 200-year-old, civil-war-era musket, complete with rusty bayonet.
The customer shrieks. "No, man! I want a Glock, a shotgun, something better than that civil war crap!"
The shopkeeper merely smiles. "I'm sorry sir, please come back when they update the second amendment to include those types of guns. Here, i'll even give you a discount..." the shopkeeper holds out a discount to the enraged customer, who tears it in half and leaves.
Fourthly, another Customer walks in. "I really need a gun, now." He says.
The Shopkeeper holds his pen and application form ready. "For what reason, sir?" he asks.
Instead of stating his reason this time, the Customer snatches the application form and looks at it. There, in the spot titled "Reasons" is a circle for "other".
"Other! That's my reason!" the Customer declares triumphantly.
The shopkeeper shrugs. "Very good answer sir." he says, while pressing a button under the counter. Two cops arrive at the shop in less than a minute and cuff the Customer.
"Hey! What the *PROFANITY* ARE YOU *PROFANITY* GUYS DOING? I'VE DONE NOTHING WRONG!" He yells, almost breaking the glass of the windows.
"Actually, you have." The Shopkeeper begins. "the "other" reason, by exclusion of the other reason, can only include wanting to kill or rob someone. Therefore, you were thinking about commiting a crime when you selected "Other" as your reason. Caught you red-handed, trying to buy the tools necessary to commiting a crime. You confessed to it when you selected "Other"! Take him downtown, please." The cops nod and take the Customer away. The last thing he hears from the Shopkeeper is "Oh, and I knew it was you all those times!"
Moral of the story: You do NOT need a gun for a particular activity. In any given activity (And I challenge you to give me a valid, legal activity for which you would need to personally own a gun), there are many other options. Why buy a gun for personal protection when a Riot Shield blocks shotgun shells? Why buy a gun for hunting when the point of hunting (and every other sport) is satisfaction, and since you get more satisfaction with more challenge, and since a crossbow offers more challenge than a gun, you'll get more satisfaction with the crossbow. Why buy a gun based on the Second Amendment when the Colonial-age guns were either giant cannons or black-powder, muzzle-loading Muskets? Did the Founding Fathers have AR-15's, and SPAZ-12 shotguns,And AK 47s, not to mention all the accessories like laser scopes and hollow-point bullets? I dont think so!
The only way you can disprove my argument is to give me a valid, LEGAL activity which requires you to personally own a gun. This excludes Skeet-shooting, because the facility can and should/will provide the gun. Until anyone can do that, YOU DONT NEED A GUN, NO ONE NEEDS GUNS! They're WAY too dangerous and make it too easy to kill someone! Why have something you dont need?
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party devil, those were some of the stupidest arguments I've ever seen. I'm sure anyone will agree, even if they don't like me or my points.
Thank you. That was the most worthless argument we've seen.
If you want a proper discussion, at least come up with a reason ok? Doesn't need to be poor or a solid reason, at least put up some words to rebut.
it doesn't just print plastic. you can use almost any material in the concept.
and as punisher said. it doesn't matter what material it is made of, it matters what it does. wich is killing.
If you have metal bullets, the gun is detectable. And since we only have metal bullets, or at least metal casings, you can't take the printable gun anywhere you couldn't take a regular gun.
If you have metal bullets, the gun is detectable. And since we only have metal bullets, or at least metal casings, you can't take the printable gun anywhere you couldn't take a regular gun.
That doesn't make it anymore legal. It allows easy access to a potential weapon, weak as it may be, it's still a gun, to people who in the first place, might not be able to buy them, i.e weapon sales background check.
party devil, those were some of the stupidest arguments I've ever seen.
at least i have arguments.
your just dodging everything. you are sticking you fingers in your ears and go LALALALALA. your unable to respond to actual points.
and befor saying anyone agree's whit you, you might want to read some of the posts for a change. take 15 mins and read some pages of the topic....
If you have metal bullets, the gun is detectable. And since we only have metal bullets, or at least metal casings, you can't take the printable gun anywhere you couldn't take a regular gun.
plz. explain to me what the material matters?
is it gun or not? does it shoot deadly projectiles or not?
I don't think making guns illegal will do much to protect people. People who want the guns for protection will not have them, and people who want guns for killing will just obtain them illegally.
I don't think making guns illegal will do much to protect people. People who want the guns for protection will not have them, and people who want guns for killing will just obtain them illegally.
That's only the case when gun control policies are only limited to gun controls, but not expanded to parallel policies of seizing upon sources of illegal guns and stamping them out.
Gun control /= gun ban.
There's a vast difference between wanting more measures and limits on guns, versus wanting to outright ban firearms.
No one, without proper knowledge and training, should be able to simply waltz into a gun store and purchase a gun without any ado. They're dangerous weapons if misused and my only question is, why is it easier to get a driver's license than a gun license?
it's still a gun, to people who in the first place, might not be able to buy them
It's legal to make your own guns here (some restrictions on auto/semi-auto). Buying isn't the only option. They'd still be better off making their own handgun than using this thing.
plz. explain to me what the material matters?
A major concern of using plastic weapons is they're easier to get into secure locations due to metal detectors.
It's legal to make your own guns here (some restrictions on auto/semi-auto). Buying isn't the only option. They'd still be better off making their own handgun than using this thing.
It's only legal for people who have licenses to own firearms, and it's only legal to make certain guns. With certain exceptions a firearm may be made by a non-licensee provided it is not for sale and the maker is not prohibited from possessing firearms. So, it's not a valid argument.
It's legal to make your own guns here (some restrictions on auto/semi-auto). Buying isn't the only option. They'd still be better off making their own handgun than using this thing.
it's legal because people are able to? lol xD
anyway as i said it's more a problem for the rest of the civilized world not for the usa. they love they idea of power to much.
A major concern of using plastic weapons is they're easier to get into secure locations due to metal detectors.
you do know this only strengthens the argument against it right?
That doesn't make it anymore legal. It allows easy access to a potential weapon, weak as it may be, it's still a gun, to people who in the first place, might not be able to buy them, i.e weapon sales background check.
If you can't pass a background check, but can afford a 3D printer, you can probably buy a regular gun.
plz. explain to me what the material matters?
is it gun or not? does it shoot deadly projectiles or not?
The point is a plastic gun can't be detected, but the bullets can. Meaning the plastic gun is no more dangerous than the millions of illegal owned weapons people already have.
you do know this only strengthens the argument against it right?
Only if you can get bullets through the metal detectors, which you can't.
people who want guns for killing will just obtain them illegally.
your not gonna stop people out for killing anyway.
but those that want to use a weapon to threaten people whit. are more likely to use a knife when they know that the vast majority of people wont have a gun. because it is cheaper.
and a knife attack can be defended against. or just co-op whit him and get out of it alive instead of risking your life for some stupid money or w/e they need of you.
if the vast majority has a gun, then they are more likely to use a gun to threaten. and since you have a gun also, things fastly escalate in a firefight whit potential deaths.
what materials are more imported then your life?
The point is a plastic gun can't be detected, but the bullets can.
then we print some plastic bullets, duh...
then we print some plastic bullets, duh...
The ones that exist are made to be harmful, but not lethal, and have a metal case.
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