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Posted Jul 5, '13 at 6:39pm

HahiHa

HahiHa

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Knight

so that even atheists could spend money on gifts.

I didn't know the gifts part is christian tradition? I thought it isn't.
 

Posted Jul 5, '13 at 6:42pm

pangtongshu

pangtongshu

9,979 posts

They have no idea which star was the Star of Christ.


Australian stargazer Dave Reneke used complex computer software to chart the exact positions of all celestial bodies and map the night sky as it would have appeared over the Holy Land more than 2,000 years ago.
He discovered that a bright star really did appear over Bethlehem 2,000 years ago - but pinpointed the date of Christ's birth as June 17, and not December 25.
Scientists claim the Christmas star was most likely a magnificent conjunction of the planets Venus and Jupiter, which were so close together they would have shone unusually brightly as a single 'beacon of light' which appeared suddenly.

From the Source

And I've read somewhere else that even from clues in the Bible, Jesus's birth would have been sometime around Summer. I'll see if I can find it later.

Christmas wasn't started by pagans.


The traditions and essentially the backbone of the holiday were, and then it was incorporated by Christians.

so that even atheists could spend money on gifts.


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Posted Jul 5, '13 at 6:51pm

KnightDeclan

KnightDeclan

487 posts

I didn't know the gifts part is christian tradition? I thought it isn't.


St. Nicholas gave gifts to the poor, so this is how gift-giving originated.

Australian stargazer Dave Reneke used complex computer software to chart the exact positions of all celestial bodies and map the night sky as it would have appeared over the Holy Land more than 2,000 years ago.
He discovered that a bright star really did appear over Bethlehem 2,000 years ago - but pinpointed the date of Christ's birth as June 17, and not December 25.
Scientists claim the Christmas star was most likely a magnificent conjunction of the planets Venus and Jupiter, which were so close together they would have shone unusually brightly as a single 'beacon of light' which appeared suddenly.


Still no solid proof here.

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The industry wanted everyone to be able to be included in the holiday, so that they could spend money.

The traditions and essentially the backbone of the holiday were, and then it was incorporated by Christians.


The tree, supposedly, the colors (red and green), and mistletoe and holly, were all pagan. The elves were also pagan, and that's about it.
 

Posted Jul 5, '13 at 6:59pm

pangtongshu

pangtongshu

9,979 posts

Still no solid proof here.


Person 1: "I have a rock"
Person 2: "I don't believe you, where's the proof?"
1: *shows person 2 the rock*
2: "That isn't solid proof."

The industry wanted everyone to be able to be included in the holiday, so that they could spend money.


And leads you to believe this?
 

Posted Jul 5, '13 at 7:02pm

Maverick4

Maverick4

6,889 posts

2: "That isn't solid proof."


I'd say that its... rock solid. Eh? Eh?
 

Posted Jul 5, '13 at 7:22pm

Getoffmydangle

Getoffmydangle

151 posts

Person 1: "I have a rock"
Person 2: "I don't believe you, where's the proof?"
1: *shows person 2 the rock*
2: "That isn't solid proof."


Around here its more like:
Person 1: [spouts some wild mythological claim]
Person 2: hmm, here is some evidence to the contrary
Person 1: Still don't see any Proof that my baseless claim is false!
 

Posted Jul 5, '13 at 8:53pm

Wyrzen

Wyrzen

327 posts

Person 1: "I have a rock"
Person 2: "I don't believe you, where's the proof?"
1: *shows person 2 the rock*
2: "That isn't solid proof."


.....that's basically the definition of proof. You have given us to solid proof. The wonderful people against you, however, haven given you much proof. And it's a common fact Jesus was not born on December 25th. It was just picked due to a pagan-thing that was at that time.

I'd say that its... rock solid. Eh? Eh?


Ba dum CSHHHHHH. We'll be here all week ladies and gentlemen!
 

Posted Jul 5, '13 at 9:38pm

MageGrayWolf

MageGrayWolf

9,804 posts

Knight

Funny how every christian holiday just so happens to have pagan background.


That's because Christianity co-opted many pagan cultural traditions in order to get converts. It was a way of saying "see what you have over there? We have that too, come join us." It's not unlike the inclusion of rock music and other elements in this "Vatican II" you're against. This sort of adaptation and assimilation has been in the religion through out it's history.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/MageGrayWolf/atheistjokes/churchborg.jpg
 

Posted Jul 6, '13 at 12:12am

Wyrzen

Wyrzen

327 posts

It's funny.

When knightdeclan isn't on, nobody posts anything because the rest of us are in a mild agreement and have nothing to oppose or dissect since he is the only one filling that role.

 

Posted Jul 6, '13 at 12:16am

Salvidian

Salvidian

4,299 posts

I could temporarily fill in for the role.

 
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