I am a christian, i and i strongly belive in my lord jesus christ, and i also belive that if you belive in him and except him as your savior, u will go to heaven. and i also believe that he created the world, not the big bang, or that we came from stupid apes.
scientists say that the entire UNIVERSE is fine tuned.
Which scientists are saying it's fine tuned?
my point is that perhaps a dying species or something created the universe via the big bang -.- and i do realize things are presently what they are, but i am speculating on the CREATION of the universe.
Okay what evidence do you have of this and and what created the universe the dying species lived in? You don't need a form of intelligence to get the ball rolling.
Possible. It's just as likely as any other hypothesis regarding existence pre-creation. However we have some evidence that the universe expands to a critical point, then returns on itself again in a sort of cycle. This is related to the 'big crunch' theory and suggests that this sort of cyclical expansion/contraction is the causation of existence. Honestly, compared to every other hypothesis proposed I tend to find this one the most credible.
Given what I have read I'm more in favor of the Big Freeze over the Big Crunch.
Okay what evidence do you have of this and and what created the universe the dying species lived in? You don't need a form of intelligence to get the ball rolling
what proof do you have there isnt one? enlighten me. what proof do you have that this isnt true? o yeah that was more of an angry comment cuz MRwalker kept shooting down my ideas =P
Given what I have read I'm more in favor of the Big Freeze over the Big Crunch.
That's my second favorite theory I just like how the big cruch offers explanation into the initiation of the big bang. And although the big crunch theory is impossible given our current understanding of the second law of thermodynamics, it is entirely possible that there are elements there that we do not yet fully understand. Although admittedly I haven't done an extensive amount of research into many of the predominate theories in physical cosmology. Perhaps I should do that sometime soon, it would be interesting, and a much better topic for debate than (insert religion) versus Atheism threads.
that was more of an angry comment cuz MRwalker kept shooting down my ideas
Well as long as I've succeeded in opening your eyes to other possibilities and created at least some desire for education on the topic then I have done my job
I just like how the big cruch offers explanation into the initiation of the big bang.
There are other theories that offer explanations for this such as a budding universe.
This has some interesting points. It's little over an hour long. The part that interested me the most with this video was the talk about the shape of the universe. It Starts around 25:00. 'A Universe From Nothing' by Lawrence Krauss, AAI 2009
Basically comparing the microwave background radiation to computer models of a closed, curved, and flat universe (seen at about 40:00 in the video) we were able to determine that the universe is likely flat. This also means the Big Freeze is also the most likely scenario.
Lets assume we manage to get to the edge of the universum, what will happen? Will we fall from the edge into a pit of abyssal monsters?
nah, there's nothing to fall into, and you could never reach the edge, it's expanding too fast. There is no way to catch it, even light can't catch up to it.
How flat though? It can't be completely 2D so it must have some height to it. Couldn't we get to the top of the universe if it was flat?
eh, the term flat appears to be applied loosely. it has height and depth and width, but it's not folded or closed, so they term it flat. it basically means that it is an open universe that expands in all directions.
Aah, As opposed to the other theories about the universes shape
Well the other two primary theories is that the universe is closed, like a sphere with definable limits, or that it curved. But based on the evidence it is neither of those, it is an open, ever expanding universe. watch the video magegraywolf posted on the previous page, it was actually very fascinating, I ended up watching it 2 times
nah, there's nothing to fall into, and you could never reach the edge, it's expanding too fast. There is no way to catch it, even light can't catch up to it.
I know that. It was just me failing to be cynic. You know, people thinking the earth is flat and so on, projected on the universe... Back to serious, I'm glad your definition of flat doesn't correlate with the literal flatitude; the universe being flat like a pancake, after the Big Bang, that would have made no sense.
Not sure how accurate this is but I tend to think of the universe as flat sort of like spilled water on a table will sit flat. The water still has depth to it and if it breaks surface tension it will expand out in all possible directions.
