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kiddslayer12
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I am a christian, i and i strongly belive in my lord jesus christ, and i also belive that if you belive in him and except him as your savior, u will go to heaven. and i also believe that he created the world, not the big bang, or that we came from stupid apes.

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cowmaster1
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Your claim is that they are. So from that standpoint the argument is made.


You're generalizing, I have never said that
Avorne
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Fair point - could you explain revelation 12:4 to me?

And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth


Because to me it seems that "The dragon's tail smacks down to earth one third of the stars. To the author of Revelation, the stars are just little lights that can fall to the ground from the sky."
cowmaster1
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Prediction time! We say Adam and eve and then get asked why we suffer for what they did. Now obviously this have been repeated many times so shall we move on or will I get called ignorant without explanation for not wanting to repeat an over repeated subject

cowmaster1
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Don't worry Jeol, I'm was just giving them crap lol, shall I get serious?

Leviathan019
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Hey guys. I'm new here, and thought I'd jump in to offer my two cents. Could you let me know what argument is currently up right now?

samy
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Could you let me know what argument is currently up right now?


Well the Christians are yelling a bunch and the atheists are just ranting.

Seriously though, I'm with Leviathan what're we talking about right now?
Leviathan019
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Well the Christians are yelling a bunch and the atheists are just ranting.


haha Unfortunately, that's how too many debates turn out. It'd be nice to see a civil, reasonable debate happen.
cowmaster1
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Well the Christians are yelling a bunch and the atheists are just ranting.


Well I would more say that the Christians are messing around, well at least I am lol :P


Currently the discussion has shifted to Revelation, but were still waiting for a Atheist to tell us we're wrong about what we know more about than them and then we'll counter and it'll continue on forever!
cowmaster1
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Hey, Lev! Well, it's getting to the point after the main points of debate which usually occur 7-10 that the atheists go away angry and confused and the Christians are laughing with each other. That help? In other words, it's very light with occasional posting until tomorrow.

High five for Christians! This is so true though lol,
samy
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It'd be nice to see a civil, reasonable debate happen.


Yeah, you're about two years late; oh the old days.

So let's kick start something because I'm bored. What's the point of prayer? If God is God then his will should be done on Earth as it is in heaven; therefore, most prayers should end up going something like this

"Dear God I pray that my mom gets better, unless you have a plan where she dies. I guess that's okay too, either way you're God so I'll say that whatever happens is for your glory even if I never see how."

I can pray to a jug of milk with the exact same effect; something may happen or it may not but either way it's still a jug of milk.
cowmaster1
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Prayer is talking with God and it builds your relationship him. Plus, doesn't the feeling of people praying for you and caring for you help any little bit?

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Prayer is talking with God and it builds your relationship him. Plus, doesn't the feeling of people praying for you and caring for you help any little bit?

Didn't you're god sort of "withdraw" from affecting mortal life on earth? Making prayers pointless?
samy
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Prayer is talking with God and it builds your relationship him.


I believe there's a verse that backs up my point.

7And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. 8Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.
9"This, then, is how you should pray:
" 'Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name,
10your kingdom come,
your will be done
on earth as it is in heaven.
11Give us today our daily bread.
12Forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven our debtors.
13And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from the evil one.[a]' 14For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.

-Matt. 5-15

Plus, doesn't the feeling of people praying for you and caring for you help any little bit?


Opiate for the masses?
cowmaster1
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No, just not it explosive examples that the whole world sees. Just cuz you don't see it doesn't mean it never happened.

Leviathan019
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High five for Christians! This is so true though lol,


I'm not sure that's the right attitude at all. We shouldn't argue with people to prove ourselves right, we should argue as people who believe we have a point of view worth convincing people of. If we're right, then hopefully it'll be seen. If we're wrong, we'll have to come to grips with that.

Didn't you're god sort of "withdraw" from affecting mortal life on earth? Making prayers pointless?


What made you come to that conclusion?

I believe there's a verse that backs up my point.


Then what exactly was your point, and how does that verse back it up?
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