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psorek
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METHOD 1 - MIXING ORANGE/BLACK WELL
You start with g1 gems and combine them in such order:

A=(((((o+o)+o)+o)+o)+o)
B=((A+(o+o))+(o+o))
C=(B+(((o+o)+o)+(o+b)))
D=(C+(((o+o)+(o+b))+b))
E=((((o+o)+o)+(o+b))+b)
F=(((o+b)+b)+((b+b)+b))
G=(E+F)
H=(D+G)

H is the final orange/black grade 5 gem with cost of grade 6 and huge specials. You can use this formula only once.

METHOD 2 - SUPERGEM UPGRADING
You can apply it to pure orange, pure black, orange/black and orange/black/red gems.
first, get your gem to upgrade (I'll call it "g&quot

A=(g+g)+((g+g)+g)
B=((((((g+g)+g)+g)+g)+g)+g)
C=(g+g)
D=(((B+C)+C)+A)

D is the final supergem with grade +3 and cost x16. You can (even should) repeat this method every time when upgrading gem.

You use method 1 once and then on resulting gem method 2 till your mana ends for mana gem. Just don't forget to add red at some point, best g1 to one of 16 copies of your gem in method 2.
For amplifiers I recommend now pure orange (black isn't amped anymore) so you grab g1 and apply method 2. Amplifiers with this method should be 3 grades lower than mana gem.

[EDIT]
After a moment of thinking I realized that this metod works also for killing gems, but you have to farm kills on black/red gem and add it in some moment. Feel free to try.

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thunderrider
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Who Me? I didn't do much...I started it...did the specced method thing, helped psorek find that there were much better optimal formulas...and that's it. Psorek and his mathy magician mind came up with all the formula stuff that we all use now...

Lol. *modest*

mafilux
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Is this all post patch?

thunderrider
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Yes. It is.

Best thing- difference in mana gain and bloodbound multiplier between psorek method gem and regular +U gem, unlike for specced method and some others, increases exponentially in difference. Test- Grade 38 Psorek vs Grade 50(same mana cost) - about 4.25x better than simple U gem. 0 hits, no amps. Supergemmed amps increase difference loads too. Amps supergemmed at grade 30ish vs the supergem equivalent = 60% better.

psorek
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@thunderrider: you did very important thing, you inspired me

thunderrider
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true. Again, analogy with the Gc0 228 waves challenge- Fractalman and Vesperbot inspired connerc, assto, munch, inthrees, einfanch, honza, and a ton of others, including me.

I'm like Fractal/Vesper -> I inspire you, borthel, connerc, seanhates, cronos, and more c:

Yay, I am the Father of All High Level GC2 Play. Just like fractal was for GC0 c:

Does that make me a mentor, or something? *modesty lost completely*

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and using this last (improved) method there's my shiny new g78 equivalent mana gem with g77 equivalent amplifiers


When you say g77 equivalent amps, are you just using pure orange, or what are in your amps?
psorek
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Yes, pure orange. Nothing else would make sense.

thunderrider
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video? Yep.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n04Tlh2etxI&feature=youtu.be

psorek
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Method 1 version for killing gems. More readable version on pastebin due to better font here.

Scheme (style like before) here.

0 = (g1 black)
1 = (g1 yellow)
2 = 0+0
3 = 1+0
4 = 1+1
5 = 2+0
6 = 3+0
7 = 4+1
8 = 5+0
9 = 7+1
10 = 6+2
11 = 8+0
12 = 9+1
13 = 6+5
14 = 11+0
15 = 12+3
16 = 14+2
17 = 15+6
18 = 16+5
19 = 17+10
20 = 18+13
21 = 20+19

Ahuizotla
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Thank you for posting the more complex methods

You can try to draw whole gem combining tree and make more user-friendly version. I just didn't have lust.

This is the reason I asked for the 64x-version

64x Mana

I don't say, my first try is very good, I tried to make it compact AND intuitive. I am happy to receive any critics regarding the picture. For example I wasn't sure if I should spread all the steps further - for me it is perfect to understand while compact enough to see everything at one or two glances. But if it is too compressed for anybody or if you don't like the form, just say it

I renumberd the gems. I understand the original system, but I think it made the whole process a bit messy. If this bothers you, I'll create a pic with the original numbering

Edit: removed viewable version. Picture expanded forum view a bit too much.

psorek
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Numbers were added automatically, order was by mana value. Agree that it wasn't the best method.

cooltang
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Also may I ask how to prioritize skill points?

psorek
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one lowering gem cost, pure colors, orange, black for me - don't know your level though.

mafilux
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What grade do you stop supergemming?

psorek
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I do never stop supergemming :P

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